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Topic: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Hello,

it's been a while since my last post on this forum and I have not followed all news so sorry if it has been asked.

I used to use a BCF2000 to control TotalMix and it worked like a charm. A few days ago, I changed my PC (i7 1st generation to Ryzen 9) and I used the SSD (where Windows 10 was installed) I had in my old PC to the new PC. No problem once the devices have been updated by Windows 10 excepted that the BCF2000 can't communicate with Fireface UC anymore. BCF2000 is recognized but no way to control TotalMix. I suspect that maybe USB protocol has changed between the i7 1st generation and the Ryzen 9 (pure guess).

That said, I saw that there is TotalMix Remote which could replace the BCF2000 but only on iOS. Is there a version for Android I missed and if not, why please ?

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Check all settings, especially MIDI I/O. Nothing has changed, it will work.

We don't use Android, so no support for that, sorry.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Yes I checked all this and I don't think it comes from the Fireface UC cause I tried with Cakewalk By Bandlab and DaVinci Resolve and even if they see the BCF2000, they can't "use" it.

Perhaps, something must have changed in the way the new motherboard handles USB. I even tried on a fresh installation of W10 on another SSD.

I asked for Android cause as there is a iOS version and there is a majority of Android users, I thought there could be an Android version.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Are you saying you removed the drive from the old pc and put it directly into the new one without doing a fresh install? If so that is not a good idea as it can cause all sorts of problems.

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5 Reply by Manolo (edited by Manolo 2021-06-03 17:46:29)

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

mkok wrote:

Are you saying you removed the drive from the old pc and put it directly into the new one without doing a fresh install? If so that is not a good idea as it can cause all sorts of problems.

No, I read a lot about this before doing it : Windows 10 makes updates for the new hardware. It's of course not as clean as a fresh install but it runs with no problems since one week (as 3D workstation and DAW). As I wrote, I also tried on a fresh install and it's the same thing.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

there should be no fundamental reason why the BCF doesn't work.  I use their X-Touch, both with USB, classic MIDI and LAN on a Ryzen 3950x on Win10 Pro (x64).

There was an issue with AMD's BIOS code which caused USB controllers to reset themselves sometimes, causing things like external USB drives randomly disconnecting (which I had), apparently USB sound cards, mice & keyboards disconnecting (which I didn't get) etc.  That was fixed only quite recently in BIOS updates.  that might be it, but otherwise I suspect your settings.

Does the BCF have a Mackie mode, and is that what you used with TotalMix?  That should definitely work (it's what I use).

One other thing that sometimes happens is that, if I power down my UFX and then power it up again in the same Windows session, sometimes TotalMix gets confused/stuck and I can't control it anymore.  If that happens, just exiting TotalMix and restarting it fixes it.

Unfortunately sometimes when I switch the UFX on like that, Windows gets permanently stuck in the AudioEndpointBuilder service (maxing out a CPU core and never recovering).  That's usually when nothing works anymore, including WME and ASIO, and I have to restart the service (and often the related Audiosrv service) and then restart TotalMix.  It doesn't always work the first time either.  And sometimes it even bluescreens when I close down TotalMix with a PFN_LIST_CORRUPT (from memory).

RME, this seems to be a bug in the driver.  would be great if you can fix this hang and occasional bluescreen when the interface is switched off and on again in the same Windows session.  Happy to provide info/test things (programmer myself).

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

gl wrote:

there should be no fundamental reason why the BCF doesn't work.  I use their X-Touch, both with USB, classic MIDI and LAN on a Ryzen 3950x on Win10 Pro (x64).

There was an issue with AMD's BIOS code which caused USB controllers to reset themselves sometimes, causing things like external USB drives randomly disconnecting (which I had), apparently USB sound cards, mice & keyboards disconnecting (which I didn't get) etc.  That was fixed only quite recently in BIOS updates.  that might be it, but otherwise I suspect your settings.

The weird thing is my settings have not changed as I just put the SSD in the new PC (specs are near yours). I have a VS-700C and I can use it with no problem in place of BCF2000. I have no problem on disconnection for now with my Fireface UC.

Does the BCF have a Mackie mode, and is that what you used with TotalMix?  That should definitely work (it's what I use).

Yes and set to it.

One other thing that sometimes happens is that, if I power down my UFX and then power it up again in the same Windows session, sometimes TotalMix gets confused/stuck and I can't control it anymore.  If that happens, just exiting TotalMix and restarting it fixes it.

Unfortunately sometimes when I switch the UFX on like that, Windows gets permanently stuck in the Windows Audio Endpoint service (maxing out a CPU core and never recovering).  That's usually when nothing works anymore, including WME and ASIO, and I have to restart the service (and often the related Windows Audio Service).  This seems to be a bug in the driver - and sometimes it even bluescreens when I close down TotalMix with a PFN_LIST_CORRUPT (from memory).

RME, would be great if you can fix this hang and occasional bluescreen when the interface is switched off and on again in the same Windows session.  Happy to provide info/test things (programmer myself).

I never experienced this before changing to the new PC but I can't really tell with the new, too soon.

Thanks for your input smile.

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gl wrote:

RME, this seems to be a bug in the driver.  would be great if you can fix this hang and occasional bluescreen when the interface is switched off and on again in the same Windows session.  Happy to provide info/test things (programmer myself).

I found a mini dump file with that error if you'd like to check it out (DM) - pic:

https://r-i-l.net/_pics/rme/pfn_list_corrupt.gif

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

+1 for a total mix remote on Android. Why do we have to buy expensive propriety devices like Ipad to control Totalmix or otherwise buy more expensive windows tablets or  computers or tablets when a cheap android tablet should be sufficient? If we want to use say 4 additional users for remote it is a big outlay. I hear you say better you than me. hahaha  cheers Greg

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Apple stuff are trash anyway. Don't buy that garbage.

Also looking forward to Totalmix on android soon.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Manolo wrote:

The weird thing is my settings have not changed as I just put the SSD in the new PC (specs are near yours). I have a VS-700C and I can use it with no problem in place of BCF2000.

As you mentioned it yourself - putting the old drive into new hardware everything basic is reinstalled. All MIDI ports, and also the BCF drivers. So there is the question: do you connect it via USB or with simple MIDI cables into the MIDI ports of the audio interface? The latter must work, obviously, so it seems you use USB, and the BCF is not properly installed.

You might have also run into the stone old 'too many MIDI I/Os in regístry' issue. Find the old information about that and check it. It's not so popular anymore, but with a simple hardware change without fresh installation it might happen.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

I sold my BCF2000 since but the request for an app for Android is still there smile.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

+ 1 vote TotalMix FX for Android

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Excepted in USA where iOS is about 51% vs 49% for Android, other countries use Android in a majority : https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global … ket-share/ wink.

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Please guys, do an Android Version ! It would be awesome

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Yes, even in USA, Android is above iOS now (55/45). Really hard to understand the choice of only iOS ?!

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

+1

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Yeah, please do an android version. I really don't understand why one isn't available. Seems like a no-brainer..

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

UFX+ and BFP FS user here. Based in Europe. Android TotalMix remote please.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

you can get OSC layouts on Android already which can basically control every feature in TM..  so its not a total loss.. Global OSC/midi control would ice the cake though.. which has been talked about for almost 10 years now!!!

for anyone who hasn't used an OSC you can easily download existing layouts and its not hard to learn to make your own, then you can build custom controller whenever you want.. RME have done a fair bit to accommodate OSC already which makes for decent option on Android...

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

ebulb wrote:

you can get OSC layouts on Android already which can basically control every feature in TM..  so its not a total loss.. Global OSC/midi control would ice the cake though.. which has been talked about for almost 10 years now!!!

for anyone who hasn't used an OSC you can easily download existing layouts and its not hard to learn to make your own, then you can build custom controller whenever you want.. RME have done a fair bit to accommodate OSC already which makes for decent option on Android...

For OSC to be able to interface with TotalMix OCS would have to connect to a PC running totalmix though, right?
But the iOS-version of totalmix runs on the iOS device and does not require a PC to be operational?
That is a very big difference

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For OSC to be able to interface with TotalMix OCS would have to connect to a PC running totalmix though, right?
But the iOS-version of totalmix runs on the iOS device and does not require a PC to be operational?
That is a very big difference

yes it needs a PC.. my guess is most people asking for Android support would still be using a computer and a DAW though.. and a lot of them maybe don't realise how effective OSC can be.. otherwise the only benefits to requesting standalone Android support (that i can see) are Android music apps or running the interface as a dedicated mixer ? i didn't think there were too many great Android music apps but admittedly i don't pay much attention to it..  the topic of the thread is asking for "remote" in which case OSC can do most things the iOS remote app does, just not change preferences and settings etc..

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ebulb wrote:
Overmann wrote:

For OSC to be able to interface with TotalMix OCS would have to connect to a PC running totalmix though, right?
But the iOS-version of totalmix runs on the iOS device and does not require a PC to be operational?
That is a very big difference

yes it needs a PC.. my guess is most people asking for Android support would still be using a computer and a DAW though.. and a lot of them maybe don't realise how effective OSC can be.. otherwise the only benefits to requesting standalone Android support (that i can see) are Android music apps or running the interface as a dedicated mixer ? i didn't think there were too many great Android music apps but admittedly i don't pay much attention to it..  the topic of the thread is asking for "remote" in which case OSC can do most things the iOS remote app does, just not change preferences and settings etc..

Wouldn't the Android app function  like a TotalMix interface while the device is in stand alone mode? That would be amazing for durec usability. That is why I would like an app, and it would be fantastic. If that is not something the iOS-app supports then I'm out tongue

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yes an android app could provide totalmix to run durec and make it a standalone mixer.. I suspect most people requesting Android though want it alongside a DAW on PC/Mac and don't realise OSC may already do what they need..

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

I would greatly appreciate an Android version of TotalMix Remote.

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Is there a straightforward way to mirror TotalMix from a PC to an Android device?

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

+1 for Android.

There are remote desktop solutions available.

Surely well enough for configuration work. Not sure about level meters regarding latency.

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Long time RME user here. UFX II at my home mix room, and HDSPe MADI at the recording studio. Android version please! This would be a game changer for me! No brainer!

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Yes please, an Android version would be very much appreciated!

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hi there, it's 2024 and we don't have any Android version. I'm a very happy user of my Fireface 802 FS, but the lack of an Android app is really disappointing. @MC you as a company don't use Android, but a lot of the buyers do, and we do need it guys

is it so much expensive doing a porting or something similar? there's no "unofficial" solution for running iOS apps into android, and a 9''/10'' iPad is too small. This app is great on a 12/13'' tablet, and I mean it's *REALLY* great using it that way.

can't stress enough on how much this RME experience loses without Android support. It's like 50% for me, and I'm quite sure is the exact same for a lot of other people

so sad about this. I'm half happy RME user for this

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How big is the chance Android is still the same Android when the developed Android version app is ready for publish ?

Is Android on the way for transformation to ARM chips ?
How many apps will need an upgrade then ?

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waedi wrote:

How big is the chance Android is still the same Android when the developed Android version app is ready for publish ?

Is Android on the way for transformation to ARM chips ?
How many apps will need an upgrade then ?

As if Apple would offer more continuity (cough)

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As usual the market follows the leader and the leader has switched to ARM...

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

waedi wrote:

How big is the chance Android is still the same Android when the developed Android version app is ready for publish ?

Is Android on the way for transformation to ARM chips ?
How many apps will need an upgrade then ?


Umm, ARM has been the main target architecture of Android since the beginning... Not to mention that Android apps are written in high-level languages (mainly Java) and run in a managed runtime environment.

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I bump the thread hoping one day RME will change its mind.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Here is my bump too. Dont understand why it is so difficult, I did a small version using TouchOSC for Android and it works very well.

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Re: TotalMix Remote on Android ?

Dont understand why it is so difficult

Probably because TotalMix Remote communicates with Totalmix in a completely different way than OSC-Protocol does.

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nhan999 wrote:

+ 1 vote TotalMix FX for Android

Another vote for Android support. This should be straightforward to implement.

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Just as a reminder : https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-sh … /worldwide

Worldwide, Android is about 70% against 30% for iOS.