Topic: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Greetings,

I currently own:

MADI FX Plus
2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Everything syncs and works absolutely fine.  However, the first madi port is for channels 1 - 64 and the second madi port is for channels 65 - 96.  I am using the Ferrofish A32 Pro as a 32 AD/DA converter.  Every time I want to set my outputs or inputs (in Reaper or Total Mix) I have this huge empty gap of channels that are of no use to me (channels 33 - 64) that I have to scroll by to get to channels 65 - 96 on my 2nd Ferrofish Unit. 

Is there a way to have both Ferrofish units on a single madi port of the RME FX Plus? Or is there a way to route or set this up?

Alternatively, is there a way to disable channels 33 - 64 so they do not show up in Total FX? Reaper does not allow me to select the individual inputs and outputs I want to use. They only allow one to select  first input/output and a last input/output.

Any help or forwarding me to an appropriate thread would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

You can disable ports visibility for TM FX in the channel layout …
See "Hide channel in mixer / matrix" there ...

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Greetings,

Thanks for your reply.  That solves the issue with using total mix in a less cluttered way.

However, it does not solve the problem in the DAW. I still have to scroll through an extra 32 channels that do not do anything.  It's not the end of the world but still kind of annoying.

Best Regards.

4 (edited by ramses 2025-01-07 19:52:25)

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

I mentioned this before—this applies (only) to TM FX.

At higher sample rates (double- or quad-speed), audio data is multiplexed across two/four physical channels.
All physical channels are still utilized by this.
The useable number of channels shrinks to 50% (@double speed) or 25% (@quad speed) on each MADI bus.
This means you have access to 32 ch @double speed) or 16 ch @quad speed per MADI bus.
But still, all 64 channels are in use on each MADI physically.
Only logically, you have a decreased number of channels.

Therefore, MADI Bus 1 still starts at channel 1 and MADI Bus 2 needs to start at channel 65.
At double speed, you have to access channels 1–32 and 64–96, rather than 1…32 and 33-64.
At quad speed, you have to access channels 1–16 and 64–80, rather than 1…32.
I am not sure whether it is easily possible to organize this differently.

Maybe RME can give you more inside on this topic whether this is possible to change.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Hello,

I understand what you mean about the higher sample rating reducing the amount of channels shown but as you have also pointed it out there doesn't seem to be a system where channels can be reordered. 

Also, working at 96khz just consumes too many computer resources for my current setup.

Best Regards.

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

dubcaravan wrote:

Also, working at 96khz just consumes too many computer resources for my current setup.

So you want to configure this in the driver for every sample rate, even single speed,
even if the physical channels that are not allocated to devices, could be used for loopback?

I doubt that this will come, but wish you good luck with your request.

I remember that only the FireWire driver had an option to disable digital ports on the card.
Most likely, the intention was, to lower the needed bandwidth over FireWire if there were issues handling more channels.

So if I summarize this correctly, it should be possible in the driver, to select
- the channels that you want to use and
- the mapping of the channels to numbers, in what order they should be presented to the application

This regardless of the sample rate, even for single speed. But a little warning here regarding single speed.
The user might want to use the free channels on each MADI bus for submixes and loopback recording purposes...

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

By the way, I talked to the guys over at Ferrofish and it is possible to daisy chain two of the units together and have them all on 1 madi port.  This has many benefits.  For example, I could have 4x Ferrofish A32 Pros on just 2 madi ports for a total of 128 ad/da.  Additionally, it is also possible with in the remote software (ferrofish) to then allocate channels 33 and over to the 2nd ferrofish.

So, I have solved my problem.

Nevertheless, thanks for your feedback.

8 (edited by ramses 2025-01-09 08:42:23)

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Of course, you can daisy-chain multiple devices on a MADI bus.
Up to 8 Octamic XTC (8x4 Mic channels) or even another recording interface to be able to access those audio channels.

The only thing you should be aware of is, that
1. You will get 3 samples latency per MADI device on one MADI bus. This is little, but I want to mention it.
2. When working at double-speed, you can only work with one of the two Ferrofish A32, as then you have only 32 of 64 channels available due to port multiplexing.

You didn't mention that you only use single speed, and I thought the reason for getting the HDSPe MADI FX is, to have two MADI buses available, so that each of your Ferrofish converters can work at single or double speed as needed.

You can even have 3x Ferrofish A32 by using the 3rd MADI bus of the HDSPe MADI FX. If you buy the optional OPTO-X module, then this can even be optical, which is nice for galvanic isolation and even longer cable runs up to 2 km.

See also my blog article to the HDSPe MADI FX, where I mention all this:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … Pro-FS-BE/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Hello,

Ok. Understood.

I doubt I'll use double speed / 96khz.  I tried it once and it was a bit too demanding for my bigger sessions with many plugins and reverted back to 48Khz.

I didn't realise about the latency but as you said it is very minimal.

The reason to purchase the HDSPe Madi FX was more about the additional connectors it came with (AES, Midi and so forth) and I got a good deal on it.  I figured if I ever needed to upgrade or need more conversion or want to go double speed I will be covered in the future.

Best Regards.

Re: Madi FX Plus in combination with 2x Ferrofish A32 Pro

Also note, that newer versions of HDSPe MADI FX card support Room EQ and Crossfeed.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10