Topic: Babyface Latency - 1024

Hi all,

I use this setup (please find details below) for orchestra scores using Garritan.

I know that such plug-ins are quite CPU-intensive and all that but I thought that with such good specs, it should be a breeze for the computer. Here they are:

Software - SONAR 8.0.2

VST used - two instances of GPO4 (and sometimes 1 vocal track)

Hard drive - 40 GB interl 2.5'' SATA (Solid State)

RAM - 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 Corsair XM53 DDR3 PC1280

Video Card - 1GB Gainward GF GT240 PCI-express video

CPU - Intel I7 920 Nehalem 2,66GHz - socket 13 Gigabyte GA-X58a UD3R S1366/PCI-E2/DDR3

(I hope this info suffices - I know zilch about hardware)

The symptoms if I use less latency (<= 256) is clicks and dropouts and the BF shows transfer errors in the Buffer Latency section. I can work with 512 but I see a noticeable increase in CPU-usage (which I know is normal the less buffer-size one uses) so I go for a safer 1024.

Thing is, shouldn't I with this kind of PC be able to use much lower latency, just as BF manual says?

Any ideas as to what the problem might be would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Sam

Re: Babyface Latency - 1024

I gonna guess. Although I don't use VST, but Sonar 7 and a slow Windows computer now, I use the same buffer in the RME Settings program - 1024. I pretty sure your computer could handle VST's more than mine, and it seems alot for the buffer, and I am running 2048 in Sonar, but with 7 stereo audio tracks (wave tracks) I am running 7 (14 total) and it does not go up very much if at all, and I think it will be a bunch of tracks before any CPU or Harddisk is starting to look like it is being taxed to wonder if the tracks are going to play or be recorded. Just my guess but I think it is just the way that Sonar through Windows works with the Windows does work. I find that using headphones output (jacks on the babyface) for recording tracks on the Babyface does not give me any latency when recording the next track or the next track or any of the tracks I have done. Well, perhaps someone else can give a different answer, but it now does not bother me that the Settings-> buffer is so high. (on movies on DVD I was using sample of 128 for my slow computer when watching movies and other music like CD and such but using Windows Media player, I am now just leaving it on samples of 1024 in Settings. I think it is Windows and even if you are using Windows 7, that may not mean that Windows 7 is faster than Windows XP just because Microsoft says it is, it may have more to do because of the different Windows versions and it is made for business and not really anything else with their software - background tasks of Windows checking everything.

Re: Babyface Latency - 1024

Yes I use Win 7 Ultimate.

To be honest, one thing I'm pretty sure about is the fact that Win 7 handles audio stuff better. I don't know the nitty gritty of it all but I read it somewhere that it's better than XP (Vista... let's not even go there).

MIDI works absolutely fine - I'm sure I can do better but right now I'm running on 23.5ms (according to Sonar).

It's when I record Audio (like vocals) - there is a slight delay that's enough to bother the singer.

I'm looking into buying Sonar X1 since apparently it's faster and there are some issues with Sonar 8.0.x with these high-end soundcards like BF.

Re: Babyface Latency - 1024

I do agree, I have an overclocked Q9550 which has about the same cpu power as an i7 920 and I can easily run at 32 and 64 buffer. (but I have a HDSP PCI RME not USB and use cubase 4).

You could do a simple test project with reaper, the demo is free and has no copy protection, so easy to install and to remove. This will give you a clue whether it´s your pc or sonar that is having these issues.

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Re: Babyface Latency - 1024

vinark wrote:

I do agree, I have an overclocked Q9550 which has about the same cpu power as an i7 920 and I can easily run at 32 and 64 buffer. (but I have a HDSP PCI RME not USB and use cubase 4).

You could do a simple test project with reaper, the demo is free and has no copy protection, so easy to install and to remove. This will give you a clue whether it´s your pc or sonar that is having these issues.

Reaper!! Brilliant idea! Thanks - I'll try that one out. Now why hasn't it occurred to me before.... Thanks again!

Re: Babyface Latency - 1024

At 48000, 24-bit using WDM/KS drivers I am getting 21.3ms. I think ASIO gives a different reading and the unit compensates for that latency so through the headphones it comes out the same, but I seem to get that also with the WDM/KS drivers and it comes out the same in headphones. (although I should check with the ASIO drivers since I think I can assume that I know what I am talking about.)
Otherwise, I do not know about MIDI or that yet which may make a difference.