Maybe I did not make it clear, I need help, to explain how to selsct outs 7+8 as mono outs rather then as headphone/monitor outs. Can anyone explain this to me? Thanks

Hi,
You can't bypass TotalMix, but since you are asking for something simple and without variations on the fly, once you will get the right custom preset, you will not have to really deal with TotalMix! Just keep in mind that 7+8 outs are unbalanced and get their own level settings from the FF Settings dialog.
An easy way to use TotalMix is the submix view, so if you enable the 4 options from the View section, you have the full way to route easily what you want from the top 2 rows to your 8 mono outputs found on the 3rd row. To be able to move your fader alone (mono) just hit "L" to disable link faders (available from options menu). The last think would be to select and focus from the third row on each pair of outs. That mean that anything from the top 2 rows can be route at different level to that outs having the focus.  Since that you want to route anything as mono out, it is the pan for each inputs (top 2 rows) which needs to be pan correctly to reach the appropriate out channel. Example, You want to route mic 2 input to output 7, so you focus from 3rd row on 7+8, you set the out 7's fader to 0.0db, you pan hard left the mic 2 input, because out 7 is left from 7+8 perspective, and you raise up the fader of mic 2 up to taste. That's it. Once you get the perfect setup you save as preset, close TotalMix and you can mostly forget about it, and you can even flash the FF400 for standalone use.

RW

Maybe I don't catch what you mean by "all outputs get summed up", but absolutly not!
The "Monitor Main" and his related "Monitor Phones" section have nothing to do on how everything is routed from rows 1&2 to row 3.
The "Monitor Main" and his related "Monitor Phones" only perform some tasks around your monitoring and from which you can use any outs; analog or digital.
Preset 1 could be a good starting preset for you. Again set TotalMix in subview having all rows visible, and now just focus on 7+8 and compare to 5+6 on focus. Do you see the difference from the faders's position from row 2? When focus is on 5+6, only 5+6 from the 2nd row are route to out 5+6. If you focus on 7+8 you will see that all channels from the 2nd row are routed to 7+8 (maybe here it is what you mean by "all outs get summed up"). So, just perform the same routing using 7+8 as it is on 5+6 (as also from 1+2 & 3+4); I mean just shutdown all of the fader from 2nd row except for channels 7 & 8. Now your custom preset no. 1 will have a perfect 8 to 8 mono routing around the analog outs. If you want to perform the same to route the FF400 hw ins to the outs; just copy what you found from the 2nd row to the 1st row, and having focus to each of the outs one by one.
It is simple in submix view; as soon that you focus on outs from the 3rd row, any faders up found from 1st & 2nd row may end up routed (panned accordingly of course).

RW

Sorry I try to connect the images now

But then how do you access that. And how do you explain that when I click it, that I get channels 7+8 go to outs 7+8? If it is not activated, 7+8 are silent. It is totally confusing to me. And have in mind I am a german like the programmers of rme, so I should be used to their way of thinking. But it does not work, haha.

Thank you RW,

I did as you said and it looks like it is OK. But don't you think that is very funny thinking. It is very complicatewd. I do not get the concept. This should be the simplest of all setups, but it is some kind of hidden. Please rme people read this and try to get this into your minds.
Anyhow thank you and I hope that this will solve my problem. Allthough I do not feel comfortable,because I cannot see the concept.

All the best to you RW

Thanks HP

I am sorry RW, I don't get it. But I think the two of us will not solve this. It is a strange concept of the programmers. They do not want to follow the normal concept of a mixing console. Well, there is nothing you can do about it. I only think it is not a good concept. The hardware is great but the software is far beyond. I hope someone from rme reads this. A mixing console should work like a mixing console otherwise it si not worth anything. The TotalMix siftware tries to put everything upside down, but then you can't work with it. Funny idea.

I thank you very much for your efforts. I enjoy your comments and I hope this will help me, but it certainly does not solve the basic problem.

Anyhow, good luck for your work and thanks again

HP

Hello,

To be honest, I don't quite understand what exactly is your difficulty with understanding Totalmix. But if you understand the Matrix, then just use the Matrix - mind that the Matrix and the Mixer exactly represent each other, whatever you do on one surface one also happens on the other. Maybe using the Matrix and seeing how this is reflected in the mixer will help you understand how the mixer works...

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Correct. And as Phones is Channels 7/8 everything works as expected.

Correct.

Of course it is. Except for the additional submixing all software channels are routed 1:1 to the hardware outputs.

Nobody told you to do this. After you clicked on 7/8, why didn't you set up the second row faders as suggested here?

Hi,

- open first Fireface Settings and select "Limit Bandwith" set to Analog 1-8
- then open TotalMix, select Preset 1 and have a look at middle row "Playback"
you see Out 1 to Out 8 is routed to Phones, have a look at the "Output" bottom row
- open Matrix with key "X" the Horisontal view shows faders Out "but is hidden by SubMix view"
Vertical view shows routing to Phone, means "Playback" channels are also routed to PH L 1 to PH R 8
if we don't use Phones then simply left click in the Matrix on the green icons [0.0]
on every channel you don't need!

one way to faster understand TotalMix is
open TotalMix and Matrix at the same time
load Presets and have a look at routings in both windows
and start experiment by clicking and move faders
when finding some good settings Save as...
default setting press Ctrl + Preset 1

hope this helps

regards S-EH

This is not crazy at all - it's fully intentional. You can route one signal to more than one destination. To enable and disable a routing in the mixer, you need to move a fader up or down. To enable, select and pull up the fader - signal routed to new destination (and checkmark set). To disable, select and pull the fader all the way down - checkmark and routing gone.
This is different in the matrix, selecting a routing will enable it at unity gain right away.

You do. And you get even more control this way. You can select a desired routing and then slowly pull up the fader, without having a signal go to an output at full volume immediately. If you want that, use the matrix. And the fader only moves down for that one particular destination, without changing other routings. I think that makes a lot of sense...

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Obviously it is VERY logical for the fader to go down. For the routing that you selected the gain had been zero. So why should the fader show something different? And when you want some level to be send with this routing, then by all means - move the fader up!