Topic: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

1. Can I use the ufx to import files from Fostex D 824 (ADAT out) to PC USB via ADAT as I do it today still with the PCI Card RME Digi 96? so that would be a future option in case of PC upgrade as PCI isn't more on new boards.
2. Is the data transfer from UFX external harddisc to PC via backside USB limited too to 2 GB file size or will that connect the files? How is that situation when using ADAT out to the Digi 96 ADAT in?
3. My goal is more security/redundancy at live recording on may two Fostex D 824 8track recorders (synchronized). There UFX seems to me a good option: splitting the analog outputs of the mixer to Fostex and UFX and save the data on USB drive in standalone mode. For the future there may be the option of using a small laptop connected to backside USB who stores the data too an elimate the "heavy" Fostex recorders. If I use the laptop only for settings, saving the recording files  and transfer it via network to the home Audio-PC for mixing, cutting, effects and mastering would do a actual netbook that well? It is often not well seen to run a big laptop display sitting in a church during recording messes or oratoria so shut the desktop down and let ist run looking to the UFX display?
Thanks
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Grosse_j wrote:

1. Can I use the ufx to import files from Fostex D 824 (ADAT out) to PC USB via ADAT as I do it today still with the PCI Card RME Digi 96? so that would be a future option in case of PC upgrade as PCI isn't more on new boards.

Sure. Also, be aware that the old DIGI cards are not compatible with a 64-bit OS, or WDM general audio. This means you can only install the card on a 32-bit OS, and only use it with ASIO applications, if you decide to keep using it in your next system upgrade.

2. Is the data transfer from UFX external harddisc to PC via backside USB limited too to 2 GB file size or will that connect the files? How is that situation when using ADAT out to the Digi 96 ADAT in?

I guess you mean front-panel USB recording with DURec. It's true that the FAT32 filesystem used has a 2GB limit for files, and a 2TB maximum partition size. But the UFX writes consecutive interleaved files, which are reassembled upon import or de-interleaving. Up to 100 of these 2GB "chunks" can be written during one recording, after this limit is reached a new recording has to be started. It's explained in detail in the UFX manual, t pg. 81-84.

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/download/fface_ufx_e.pdf

3. My goal is more security/redundancy at live recording on may two Fostex D 824 8track recorders (synchronized). There UFX seems to me a good option: splitting the analog outputs of the mixer to Fostex and UFX and save the data on USB drive in standalone mode. For the future there may be the option of using a small laptop connected to backside USB who stores the data too an elimate the "heavy" Fostex recorders. If I use the laptop only for settings, saving the recording files  and transfer it via network to the home Audio-PC for mixing, cutting, effects and mastering would do a actual netbook that well? It is often not well seen to run a big laptop display sitting in a church during recording messes or oratoria so shut the desktop down and let ist run looking to the UFX display?
Thanks
Grosse_j

A netbook can certainly be used for control of TotalMix FX while recoding to a USB drive connected to the front USB of UFX. It depends on what you are doing (channels/sample rate) whether it's a good idea to record to the netbook drive. But at least you have a backup. :-)

Regards,
Jeff Petersen
Synthax Inc.

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Thanks Jeff,
back to the backup question with netbook drive andfFront USB drive. My normaly recordingparameter is 24bit/44kHz upto 12 channels. Will that limit the netbook use? Are  the netbook drive files interleaved wave too.
Thanks
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

That shouldn't be to stressful for the netbook. There are no such limitations there, it only depends on what you have set up in your recording software on the netbook. If you use DIGICheck Record (from RME), then it's very similar in that this app writes interleaved files as well.

Regards,
Jeff Petersen
Synthax Inc.

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Does the front USB power supply is strong enough to drive external 2'5 HD without using seperat external power supply for the harddisc?
Thanks
Grosse_j

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Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Depends on the hard drive. Most work.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

May th UFX work with new netbooks with the new AMD C50 APU 1GHZ, which is more powerfull as the Intel Atom and has Chipset  AMD A50 Fusion Controller Hub. in the overview about processors/USB performance for UFX only Intel dual core are described. As described above I will only reord to the harddisc with DigiCheck record in 24bit/44kHz mode, control the UFX. Audio procesing will be done on my home audio PC.
Thanks
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Now I am using a ASUS netbook with Intel Atom N 570 (2+1,66GHz, ICH 7 usb) ) and it works well for recording with the UFX and even for Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 in combination with an edirol r44 via quamic for 4 "redundant" channels.

Now  I have a chance to get a 2 years old octamic D for the UFX. In addition with my quadmic and the 4 internal Mic Pre Amps I can drive all my 16 condenser mics, when I use the ADAT out of the octamic.

My question:
will there be expected  any time difference during recording through the 3 different signal paths:

- Mic - quadmic - line in UFX - USB out
- Mic - UFX pre -  USB out
- Mic - octamic - ADAT out - ADAT in UFX - USB out?

Thanks
Grosse_j

P.S I read that the phantom voltage of the octamic D is close to 45 Volts, can it be modified to 48V?

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

What happened with the comment of u5u5 to my questions? It was announced in email, but the link is empty and here is no answer?
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

What happened with the comment of u5u5 to my questions?

Unless you want buy some chinese shoes and other copied stuff it was of no interest for the visitors of this forum.

best regards
Knut

11 (edited by Grosse_j 2011-08-17 10:36:56)

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Nevertheless I am not interested in chinese choes too but in an answer regarding the time difference between the 3 signal paths describesd above.
Best regards
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

At least the AD converters will need different times and thus likely introduce some samples difference.

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

- Mic - UFX pre -  USB out
- Mic - octamic

As Timur wrote, at least this combination will have a different timing as the UFX uses low latency AD converters. QuadMic and UFX AD should have the same timing as the UFX Preamps.

best regards
Knut

14 (edited by Grosse_j 2011-08-17 17:02:40)

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

My interpretation of Timors message was that the different AD converters between octamic D and UFX will have different timings.
My conclusion is:
- use the octamic AD only if you have at first filled up the 8 analog inputs  and the 4 internal mic inputs of UFX - thats up to 12 mics.
- Above 12mics use the Quadmic and Octamic for up to 4 analog mics each and the remaining up to 4 mics via octamic ADAT into the UFX.
Than only the last for mics may have timing shifts, but if it is the "some samples" range classical live recordings will not real be affected. I can choose two sets of stereo mics, f.e. the four choir mics standing behind the orchestra to send them through the octamic AD converter to UFX.

best regards
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Exact AD times are listed in the manuals. wink

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Is there any device on the market for using the adat outputs in standalone mode to write on an external harddisc without using a computer? That would allow an external backup in addition to the front usb drive as main output. I use two fostex d824 today, but that is two additional 19' devices and more than 15 kg in addition.
Thanks
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

The FF UFX is such a device cool rotfl

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

I own an ufx. If i run it standalone only the front usb is a hd recorder. I want to use the backside adat out to write on an adat "hd" directly like a fostex d824, but a smaller device - an "adat external hd".
Thanks
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

He meant a 2nd UFX, recording ADAT inputs, of course.

Regards,
Jeff Petersen
Synthax Inc.

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Ok that's true, but it is not a simple and lower cost, low weight solution like an external usb hd.
regards
Grosse_j

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Unfortunately, there is no simple "USB HD with ADAT inputs"...
I sometimes use a second-hand Fostex D160 for backup - only 16 bit, but 16 channels in one device. There are several 16- or 24-track disk recorders out there.


Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: Firefac UFX redundancy and netbook

Thanks, for me I''ll stay with my two fostex D824 for the case my netbook is used in a parallel session, they are able to work on 24bit on ufx adat out.
But it would be a nice idea to develop an adat hd device?
Regards
Grosse_j