Current driver is 1.65.

What problem exactly? More details, please.

i had the same "problem".
it's a bloody know issue / lion feature. ("re open window when launching")

on my 1072 xeon a simple line in terminal had fixed that, but you could also un-check EACH TIME the "re-open all window when lauching" on the shut down dialog.

curl http://goo.gl/Z4EFC -L -s -o ~/fixlogin.sh && chmod +x ~/fixlogin.sh && sudo ~/fixlogin.sh ; rm ~/fixlogin.sh

it works on my macpro.

sorry, it's in french but... i found that tips here :

http://www.logicielmac.com/news/lion-su … -7598.html

you should found it in your own language...

maybe this one :

http://ikluge.com/2011/08/24/getting-ri … n-restore/

once the terminal code is entered you shoud have admin privilege. and basta.

and then you don't have to uncheck the shut down dialog anymore...

hope it helps...

(this terminal trick -i never used terminal, too, except this- lets the box still checked, yes, BUT, then, even checked, at home, no apps are relauching, except those with the option to do that in "theirselves")

i own a ufx, so things may be different, indeed.

Well, as I said before: checking the box on shutdown or restart DOES NOT do the trick! So the terminal thing is NO SOLUTION.

I don't know what more to explain: both the programs automatically launch after the login process, probably after or with the finder. No other app on my system behaves like this.

I don't know what you mean by saying launched "into the dock". What is that?

When the driver only works when these apps are running why is the hardware fully working when I quit the apps? I find this behavior very unusual.

Can you specify the page in the manual?

They open their windows.

Yes, both (TotalMix and USB Settings) are opening after login.

OS X 10.8.2 and rme driver v1.76

I have the same issue. I've failed to find a way to disable "Fireface USB Settings" and "Totalmix" apps from starting every time i turn on my computer.

Hey guys, after just switching to Mac myself, I have to completely agree with all the posters here.

The current behaviour of the RME drivers on Mac is highly unusual and intrusive.

Applications such as Alfred for mac http://www.alfredapp.com/ also launch on startup but do not enter the dock.  Instead, they are only present in the menu bar and completely out of the user's way.

Would you please seriously consider such a behaviour on Mac?  This alone would honestly make me consider other brands on my next audio interface purchase.  That's how important this issue is to me personally.

I'm really not trying to be negative in any way, but really want to help you improve the experience for Mac users so that it is as good as it is for PC users.

What are your thoughts Daniel?

Hey Matthias,

I'm sorry but the original problem in this thread has not been resolved with the latest version.

Here I quote the original opening post:

On the latest version, this is still the case.

Reproduction:

1) Quit every application that's open (including TotalMix and Fireface USB Settings)
2) Log out
3) Log in
4) Notice that both applications automatically appear in your dock and are running
5) Notice that Cmd+Tab also lists the applications

I understand that you are now hiding the application by default, but it is still being run on login and one has to manually quit the application each time to get it out of the way.  No other Mac applications work like this and it's an important usability problem.

Daniel then said:

Ok, I understand they need to launch once to communicate with the hardware, but there are many much more elegant solutions to this problem.

Solution

Run the applications as you are now, but implement an initialisation parameter of some sort (e.g. commandname /init) which will only initialise the communication and then automatically exit (so that the apps are NOT in the dock and NOT in Cmd+Tab).

Another important point is that Fireface USB Settings really should be an interface available via System Preferences, like every other Mac driver available.

Of course you could make this behaviour optional, but I think most Mac users would opt-in to such behaviour.

Here's the technical detail of my proposal:

Currently, the FirefaceUSB.kext kernel extension is loaded via a loadctl plist in /Library/LaunchAgents:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
    <key>Label</key>
    <string>de.rme-audio.firefaceUSBAgent</string>
    <key>LimitLoadToSessionType</key>
    <string>Aqua</string>
    <key>OnDemand</key>
    <false/>
    <key>ProgramArguments</key>
    <array>
        <string>/System/Library/Extensions/FirefaceUSB.kext/Contents/MacOS/firefaceUSBAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/firefaceUSBAgent</string>
    </array>
</dict>
</plist>

Why not implement a flag in the firefaceUSBAgent executable which will only launch the agent without Totalmix and the USB Settings window?

e.g.

firefaceUSBAgent /init

If Totalmix indeed need to be loaded for some reason, then the firefaceUSBAgent application could invoke the necessary functions required to initialise the hardware instead.

The current implementation feels very much like Windows software ported to Mac without much regard for Mac standards and usability guidelines.

I hope other Mac users will chime in here and back me on this.

Cheers

Hello all,

I recently purchased the Fireface UCX, and I too was surprised to see the total mix software and firewire settings being launched and loaded into my dock upon start-up of my mac. I didn't give it much thought at first, thinking I would just be able to change it later in my preferences. However, I wasn't able to find such an option, which led me here only to find out that there doesn't appear to be any such option. Even more disappointing, it would seem that RME has decided to ignore its mac users who have brought this issue to light. I quote:

>The current way of operation is both logical, useful, and accepted by most users, so we have no plan to change that.

It would seem most logical that there be an option to change the behavior of such an operation based on the preferences of its users, especially when they have paid into the thousands of dollars to use this equipment. I can hardly believe that I am even having this problem...

In fact, I find the software's behavior to be so irritating that I am even considering sending the UCX back, considering that support doesn't seem at all interested in solving this problem.

-Tristan

Dear all,

happy owner of a Fireface UC since 8 months. I have zero complains about
anything, I think RME is excellent on every part, it was more then I was
hoping for.

Really the only exception is the opening of these 2 apps in the dock.
It's just that if all hardware would open 2 apps at startup, you would end up with a lot
in your dock and in cmd-tab already during start. I do think their would
be more elegant solutions for this and for me this sound card would approach perfection
if it would (so, that would be cool!).

I think indeed the best would be if the apps
would just start without any visual appearance and you would be able to open them
just in the application folder.

I did found a workaround though!

I edited the plist files in both apps so they startup hidden from the dock and cmd-tab. I used this link for this:
http://www.cnet.com/news/prevent-an-app … g-in-os-x/

You can use cmd-space (or quicksilver) to open the apps just fine and you notice they had started normally already,
they were just hidden.

For me this works perfectly and I'm happy now!

Running Mavericks 10.9.4 and driver v1.95 for a Fireface UC.

TM FX window is only opened when a unit is detected during runtime as hot-plugged. For example when you switch on the FF800 after OS X has booted, then the window will open to gve you an overview of your current settings. With the FF800 already on at boot time the window will not open. At least until the window wasn't opened before shutdown and the option 'reopen all windows' is not active.

I second this, it's very annoying. I opened a new topic here : http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=21034

Dann sind sie derzeit wohl der einzige. Wir können nur fixen was wir nachvollziehen können. Auf unseren (den sicher meisten) Computern kommen die Fenster nicht beim Start des Computers, sondern nur beim Anstecken/Starten des Interfaces. Ausser man hat beim Herunterfahren die Option 'Fenster wiederherstellen' angeklickt und beide offen.

Ausserdem sind die obigen Posts alle überholt, da diese Routinen für jedes neue OS X immer wieder angepasst wurden.

I assume everyone experiencing the issue tried to completely uninstall the RME drivers and software to start a fresh installation?

Und das wird auch so bleiben. Das war auch nicht das Problem dieses Threads, sondern das unerwünschte öffnen und geöffnet bleiben des Settings und TotalMix-Fensters bei jedem Rechnerstart. Und das wurde gefixt.

Could it be there's a misunderstanding here? The way I see this: The "TotalMix FX" and "Fireface Settings" apps always launch on reboot or logging in. They show as running in the dock but their actual windows don't show unless they were open before when logging out / rebooting. On the other hand, if you hot-plug the device, the apps will start and also open their respective windows.

That is how I understand MC how they meant it to be, and that's also the behaviour on my setup.

Personally, I'd prefer to have those apps not show in the dock while running. Maybe have a little icon on the top right instead (like Dropbox, Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.) or have the option to have them not start automatically at all. I don't need the settings much and I can pull up TotalMix manually. However, I don't see a reason to call this "highly frustrating" though. Maybe a little below optimal depending on your view : )

I have two qustions:
1 ) Is a MacBook pro 5,5 , Intel Core 2 Duo, 2,53 GHz processing, 8 GB volume and 1,07 GHz Bus  OK with a RME UC ?
2) Will it combine automatically with LogicProX?
Thanks in advance for some advice....

On Startup, I am getting FireFace Settings launching twice. there are 2 apps in the dock. Can't figure out why. I only have one app loaded as far as I can see. Running a G5 OSX 10.5.8

I have to admit I feel the same way.  I just this week switched over to Mac from a Windows machine.  Kept my babyface obviously.  Set it up and am disappointed that it takes up two major spots on the dock.  I agree with everyone here.  It should really be in little icons in the menu bar just like on windows.  Was much more optimal that way and neater.  I have no problem with it needing to start up with login but not on the dock please guys.  I have to believe this would be extremely easy to implement on a driver update.

rzilligen, thanks for posting!
But that is not a user friendly solution at all.
For this money, I expect RME to work better on this simple and important stuff. 2 extra apps in dock is pretty much annoying.

I'd request options for this, including tray icon or disable auto-launch at all.
I need them too rarely to want auto-launch by default.

"could be worse" is a weird way of thinking, I'd say.
Workarounds are not obvious, people have to google things they are annoyed of. So, this makes great product not so great.