Topic: ADI648 converter

Hi,

I want to use my 648 as Madi converter (and Adat-In). My source speaks Madi 56 and is connected via BNC, the optical way is connected to my Hammerfall.

I routed the Madi IN 4 & 5 to Madi OUT 4 & 5, but signal won´t pass through. If I connect my source directly to the computer it works. Adat is not patched. Do I have to change the dipswitches on the rear? If yes - how? The source is synced and working...
The Hammerfall should be configured right.

Firmware is 2.5

Thanks for your help,

HMC

Re: ADI648 converter

Sorry, the setup is not quite clear... Which card are you referring to with "Hammerfall"? Is this a MADI or ADAT card?

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI648 converter

Madi wink

Madi Hammerfall ---(LWL)--- adi648 ---(copper)--- Madi54ch-Source
                                            |
                                       AD (Adat)

Re: ADI648 converter

Does the signal flow go both ways? Where exactly do you see the problem? Does the card show "No Lock" with the converter connected?


Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

5 (edited by HMC 2012-02-23 17:56:01)

Re: ADI648 converter

Soundcard shows "Locked", the source and the 648 say synced, but i can´t get the input from the source to the soundcard. I don´t know about an output, because I have only input-sources. (But if source syncs I think Madi should work that way.) I'll be able to test the output in an few days...
I think that if the connection source-soundcard works the connection source-adi648 should be working also? If yes I wonder how to get the signal through the 648. As I told I routed the right Madi-blocks, Madi 8 is not routed and AdatIn 8 is not connected.

If only 648 is connected (LWL) everything works perfectly - also if only my other source is connected (copper).

Re: ADI648 converter

When I switch the ADI-input from optical to BNC it works. Does this mean it works only for one way? Because remote via Madi is impossible then...

Re: ADI648 converter

I somehow don't understand the question... Remote also works via optical....

What is it that works now, and what do you suspect to work only one way...?


Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI648 converter

Ich machs mal eben auf Deutsch... wink
Wenn ich den Eingang des ADI648 auf BNC umstelle, geht die Remote via Madi nicht mehr, zumal ich über LWL zum Rechner gehe. Das Signal von meiner Source kommt dann aber beim Rechner an. Ich gehe also davon aus, dass der ADI mir dann zwar den Coax-Eingang auf den LWL-Ausgang routet, aber nicht den LWL-Eingang auf den Coax-Ausgang. Ist das richtig?

Grüße

Re: ADI648 converter

Es kann immer nur ein MADI-Eingang aktiv sein. Ausgänge laufen parallel.
Die Funktion der Remote ist von der Eingangswahl prinzipiell unabhängig. Wenn der Kartenausgang auch opt. mit dem 648 verbunden ist, sollte das auch gehen...

mfg
D. Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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Re: ADI648 converter

Ok, leider geht bei mir die Remotefunktion via LWL so nicht. Daran werd ich mich gewöhnen, leider ist das in sofern blöd, weil ich dann auch kein MidiSignal zum Remoten der Headamps schicken kann. Ich muß mr das aber nochmal anschauen, vllt. hab ich da irgendwo was zu drücken vergessen?

Das  mit dem aktiven Eingang bedeutet mit anderen Worten, dass das Gerät eigentlich kein vollwertiger elektrisch-optischer Wandler ist, weil ja nur eine Richtung bedient wird...

Was bedeuten die beiden Dipschalter neben den Eingängen (Redundanzbetrieb, ja, aber welcher Dip muß für was wie?)


Danke, es klärt sich langsam

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Re: ADI648 converter

Nix Redundanz:

Über zwei von der Rückseite zugängliche DIP-Schalter kann der Ausgangspegel auf 1 Vss und 1,5Vss erhöht werden. Diese Einstellungen sind nicht für den normalen Betrieb vorgesehen, können aber im Falle sehr langen oder mangelhaften Koaxialkabels kurzfristig eine fehlerfreie Funktion der Übertragungsstrecke sicherstellen.

Wurde entfernt weil es nix gebracht hat. Ist das Signal z.B. wegen zu langer Kabel deformiert ändert sich das nicht wenn man den Gesamtpegel erhöht.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

12 (edited by Randyman... 2012-02-29 07:42:56)

Re: ADI648 converter

RME Support wrote:

Es kann immer nur ein MADI-Eingang aktiv sein. Ausgänge laufen parallel.
Remote ist von der Eingangswahl prinzipiell unabhängig. Wenn der Kartenausgang auch opt. mit dem 648 verbunden ist, sollte das auch gehen...

mfg
D. Fuchs
RME

For the English folk - Here's the Google Translated version:

RME Support via Google Translate wrote:

There can be only one MADI inputs to be active. Outputs in parallel.
Remote is in principle independent of the input selector. If the card's output also opt. connected to the 648 is, it should go ...

So, you are basically saying the MIDI Remote prunes the MIDI signal pre MADI Input Selector?  What does it do if it were to receive 2 conflicting MIDI notes on BNC and Optical MADI at the same time?

It would seem that the MIDI Remote is actually looking at the MADI Input Selector's output opposed to the physical MADI Inputs themselves.

Revision - Yep - The ADI648 manual clearly shows the MIDI Remote "Decoder" taking its MADI MIDI feed "Post MADI Input Selector" (pg 18 of the manual).  Now, if you use "Redundant/Auto-Failover" mode with a common MADI card, this would still work in tandem with the failover.  But since HMC is not actively "selecting" the Optical MADI Input, the HDSP MADI card isn't able to make a full MIDI I/O "loop" with the Optical MADI input selected on the ADI648.

I believe the other functionality you are trying to achieve should work (basically taking a BNC MADI Input plus some ADAT Inputs, and trying to combine them and send them out via Optical MADI to your RME MADI card).  Of course, you will need to select the "BNC" MADI Input on the 648 for this to work - and both of the ADI-648's outputs will transmit an identical MADI signal based off your Matrix routing scheme (can theoretically feed Coax or Optical to your RME MADI Card).

Also - You can certainly use the 648 in 54-Channel Input Mode and 64-Channel Output Mode at the same time.  This will net you an extra 8 Channels of MADI or ADAT to feed MADI Output channels 57-64 to the RME MADI Card (which handles 64-Channel mode as standard).

Also, I just got an ADI-648 MKII myself.  I quickly tested the MIDI Remote (over MADI BNC Coax on a spare HDSP MADI card for now) and it seemed I had to set the MIDI Remote application to "MADI MIDI 3" to get it to "connect" and work?  Is there any reason I could not get it to work with MADI MIDI 1 or MADI MIDI 2?  Might have been user error as I only fiddled with it for a hot minute...

Enjoy! cool

MADIface-XT+ARC / 3x HDSP MADI / ADI648
2x SSL Alphalink MADI AX
2x Multiface / 2x Digiface /2x ADI8

Re: ADI648 converter

Randyman... wrote:

So, you are basically saying the MIDI Remote prunes the MIDI signal pre MADI Input Selector?  What does it do if it were to receive 2 conflicting MIDI notes on BNC and Optical MADI at the same time? It would seem that the MIDI Remote is actually looking at the MADI Input Selector's output opposed to the physical MADI Inputs themselves.

Thou shalt not rely on Google translation... That is not what I said and there is no "output" of the selector. I just said that the Remote will work independetly from the fact whether coax or optical MADI is being used. Nada mas...


Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI648 converter

HMC wrote:

Ok, leider geht bei mir die Remotefunktion via LWL so nicht. Daran werd ich mich gewöhnen,

Ist MIDI eine Alternative? Oder geht's mit einem MADI-Ring?

Das  mit dem aktiven Eingang bedeutet mit anderen Worten, dass das Gerät eigentlich kein vollwertiger elektrisch-optischer Wandler ist, weil ja nur eine Richtung bedient wird...

Es ist zumindest kein bidirektionaler MADI-MADI-Wandler, und soll es auch nicht sein. Bidirektional geht nur MADI-ADAT und umgekehrt.


mfg
D. Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI648 converter

RME Support wrote:

Thou shalt not rely on Google translation... That is not what I said and there is no "output" of the selector. I just said that the Remote will work independetly from the fact whether coax or optical MADI is being used. Nada mas...
RME

Got'cha.  I'm not a German speaker, but I am a new owner of the ADI-648 - so I was doing what I could to follow this bi-lingual thread.

Can you translate your above post?  Google says (probably wrong) you seem to think MADI MIDI Remote should work in HMC's somewhat un-conventional setup (where the MADI Coax is selected as the 648's "INPUT", and the RME Card is connected strictly over Optical MADI), and judging by the ADI-648's manual (pg 18 I mentioned in my previous post), it just isn't possible as the MADI MIDI is being "groomed" off the BNC input in this case.

Also - Shoud MADI MIDI Remote work over MADI MIDI 1, MADI MIDI 2, and MADI MIDI 3 - or just MADI MIDI 3?  I could only get the MIDI Remote to "Connect" if I selected MADI MIDI 3.

Thanks! cool

MADIface-XT+ARC / 3x HDSP MADI / ADI648
2x SSL Alphalink MADI AX
2x Multiface / 2x Digiface /2x ADI8

Re: ADI648 converter

Randyman... wrote:

Can you translate your above post?  Google says (probably wrong) you seem to think MADI MIDI Remote should work in HMC's somewhat un-conventional setup (where the MADI Coax is selected as the 648's "INPUT", and the RME Card is connected strictly over Optical MADI), and judging by the ADI-648's manual (pg 18 I mentioned in my previous post), it just isn't possible as the MADI MIDI is being "groomed" off the BNC input in this case.

Correct, it won't work - as long as BNC is being used by the external source...
Maybe the OP's misconception that the 648 would work as bidirectional MADI converter also confused me...
  HeadScratch

Also - Shoud MADI MIDI Remote work over MADI MIDI 1, MADI MIDI 2, and MADI MIDI 3 - or just MADI MIDI 3?  I could only get the MIDI Remote to "Connect" if I selected MADI MIDI 3.

Yes, the others are the physical MIDI ports.

Depending on where teh 648 is placed, MIDI may be an option.

With an RME device as the source, the 648 could be MIDI controlled if the connction were set up in a ring, but that would dpend on the source.

Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI648 converter

RME Support wrote:

Yes, the others are the physical MIDI ports.

AH!  I forgot that the actual MIDI ports would also be labeled "MADI MIDI" - I was thiking you (RME) were sneaking in 3 discrete MIDI streams into the MADI signal! (I'm a drummer!)  fryingpan

RME Support wrote:

Depending on where teh 648 is placed, MIDI may be an option.

With an RME device as the source, the 648 could be MIDI controlled if the connction were set up in a ring, but that would dpend on the source.

That crossed my mind shortly after posting!  I know the SSL AlphaLinks generally don't do "Rings" as they have no way of assigning ID's and crap per unit (you can do it with their SoundScape software and a Soundscape card, but I don't have those).  Maybe HMC's MADI Console is more flexible with regard to MADI Ring configurations (and would likely lock him into 56-Channel Mode as that is what his console is currently running at).

cool

MADIface-XT+ARC / 3x HDSP MADI / ADI648
2x SSL Alphalink MADI AX
2x Multiface / 2x Digiface /2x ADI8

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Re: ADI648 converter

Thanks for that ring-thing-tip wink
I´d love to use LWL - one the one hand because I have 100m multicore, on the other hand because I only have to use that cable (Madi and network) instead of 4 or so (there and back again, network, powerlink)...
I´m able to realize what I need, if I need more I´ll have to buy a converter or a second HDSP Madi.

Thanks for helping!