Topic: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

This should be a very simple question, but I haven't been able to find the answer from reading this forum or the web site.

I have a UFX+ and I'm thinking about adding a 12mic. Will the 12mic be controllable in TotalMix (gain, etc.)?

As far as I can tell, the Octamic XTC will work this way, but I want to confirm that the 12mic will also.

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Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Not yet. Aux Device support is planned, though.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Thats very nice to hear.

@vanceen: I have a combination of UFX+, XTC and 12Mic running.
Administration via Web is well, but I also prefer Aux Device support.
Its better to have one admin tool and to be able to save and restore settings with TM FX as I am used to with the XTC.

BTW .. get RME SFPs to be on the safe side, I accidently picked the wrong multimode SFPs with wrong wavelength wink

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Thanks.

Just looking at the options, the difference in street price between the Octamic XTC, the 12mic, and the M-1610 pro is not that great, so that the cost per channel goes down significantly as the number of channels go up.

Is AUX Device support planned for the M-1610 as well?

5 (edited by ramses 2020-10-15 15:13:07)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Would be great, as each channel can have different reference levels.

This would be consistent then with the operation of the UFX+ and 12Mic / XTC
to be able to store and restore settings for an environment or special recording project settings.

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

What's the advantage of the SFP over just using a coax cable for MADI? I suppose optical cables can be longer, but is there a tecnical advantage apart from that?

Sorry to ask naive questions. I've been using a DAW for a long time, and I've had a FF 400, a FF 800, and now a UFX+. But there have been so many new developments with Dante, MADI, AVB... It's hard to find concise explanations.

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Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Optical cables are immune for all kinds of electro-magnetic disturbance, plus do not connect ground (no ground loop). That's not only useful with long connections, but especially useful with long connections.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Thanks!

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Just looking at the options, the difference in street price between the Octamic XTC, the 12mic, and the M-1610 pro is not that great, so that the cost per channel goes down significantly as the number of channels go up.

Is AUX Device support planned for the M-1610 as well?

The M-1610 Pro doesn't have mic preamps, therefore no gain or phantom power to be set up. Reference levels are switchable (+13/+19/+24 dBu), but that's usually static within your setup, so Totalmix integration is not necessary.

Best
Marc

10 (edited by vanceen 2020-10-17 16:06:13)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Thanks, Marc S. Yes, just D-Subs for breakout boxes on the M-1610.

11 (edited by ramses 2020-10-17 18:35:25)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Marc S wrote:

Just looking at the options, the difference in street price between the Octamic XTC, the 12mic, and the M-1610 pro is not that great, so that the cost per channel goes down significantly as the number of channels go up.

Is AUX Device support planned for the M-1610 as well?

The M-1610 Pro doesn't have mic preamps, therefore no gain or phantom power to be set up. Reference levels are switchable (+13/+19/+24 dBu), but that's usually static within your setup, so Totalmix integration is not necessary.

Best
Marc

Sorry if I disagree. Just my $0.02..

Maybe this was not so important or "requested" in the "old times", where a converter with only 8 ports have only been bought by studio owners, where such a device typically became connected to a mixer which only needed 1 static setting for reflevel and where this converter was part of a fix setup.

But now we see devices which allow reference levels per port and we see more and more enthusiasts with different demands, which also look for such a RME converter with many ports for different purposes / use cases.
And why should this converter with "reflevel per port" be treated differently compared to an UFX+ where such settings can be stored in snapshots ?

It makes more sense to me that RME introduces an unique treatment for all devices so that you can say "the most important settings can be stored and recalled in TM FX snapshots for all devices" to sell this idea as a very unique RME feature.

This would also serve very well if you use devices in a mobile rack for different purposes. Then you can store and recall settings for different locations...

And I am personally a big fan of being able to store and recall all important settings of a complete RME environment and to have TotalMix FX as central tool for that.

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

12 (edited by hardyroede 2021-02-19 10:51:46)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

Dear RME team, short question regarding Aux device support on newer devices:

MC wrote:

Aux Device support is planned, though.

MC said this re: 12mic, but will it also apply to AVB tool, as the two share some technical foundations?

And - probably no plan for release date, I presume, but just asking. ,) Thanks!

MADIface(s) Pro, UFX+, MADI Router
Mac mini Intel, iPad Air 2020
ProTools, Hindenburg

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

MC wrote:

Not yet. Aux Device support is planned, though.

Hello,
Is the Aux Devices integration of the 12mic (and maybe the AVB Tool) still planned ?
If so, when ? :-)

Best regards,
Laurent

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1

Fireface UFX+ | Fireface UFX | Babyface Pro | 12Mic

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Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1

UFX+ and 12mic and ADI96-Pro

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Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1=5

UFX+ XTC, ADI 8 QS w/madi
12 Mic, M1610 pro
MacBookPro M1
Logic Pro X

19 (edited by georgob 2022-08-05 13:05:33)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

+1
I wonder what people should do who own a 12Mic and Micstasys. Afaik these two preamps cannot be controlled with the same application (Midiremote, Midiremote AVB, Totalmix).
Are there plans to include the Micstasys as well?
Georg

20 (edited by cigame 2022-08-05 17:08:51)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

At the moment I use the WebInterface for 12 Mic and M1610 and the old Midi Remote for XTC and Micstasy with midi over MADI.
Four preamps in UFX+ with TM.
Three separate Apps for controlling.
That's not optimal.

UFX+ XTC, ADI 8 QS w/madi
12 Mic, M1610 pro
MacBookPro M1
Logic Pro X

21 (edited by ramses 2022-08-05 20:22:55)

Re: 12mic and UFX+ with TotalMix

cigame wrote:

Currently I use the Web Interface for 12 Mic and M1610 and the old Midi Remote for XTC and Micstasy with midi over MADI.
Four preamps in UFX+ with TM.
Three separate Apps for controlling.
That's not optimal.

Agree. Esp Auxdevice for preamps I regard as an RME core feature for preamps.

Additionally, I would hope that Auxdevice feature becomes available as well for AD/DA converter, e.g.,
— selection of reference level (newer devices support per port settings)
— gain if applicable.

Hope Auxdevice will also come for AVB based networks in the future.

Besides remote control through TotalMix FX (which only covers remote control of most important parameters)
I regard it as important that remote control by TM FX/Auxdevice and any other remote control application like MIDI Remote
are compatible to each other and can be used in parallel, e.g., on the same MADI bus.
Currently, it's not possible to use MIDI Remote and TM FX at the same MADI bus for, e.g., XTC and ADI-8 QS.
Incompatibilities like this should be avoided in the future for whatever comes next.

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro