If you don't need the Echo for anything else then this is indeed possible with a funny workaround. You just have to use the Echo as only audio path (channel fader down with Send up, Return channel no routing active but FX return up). Echo effect used is Stereo Echo, Width 100, Feedback 0, HC Off, Vol 0 dB.

Now the stereo signal gets delayed by whatever you set as delay time and shows up at the output where you raised the FX Return fader.

Is it possible to apply this fix to a hardware output in TotalMix? So a mix can still be set up using faders as normal...

Good idea, thanks!

RME, please release TotalMix 2.0 with delays built in - it’s essential in today’s world!

It's just a dirty and quite restricted workaround which for technical reasons can not be easily made that accurate. In other words - will not happen, sorry.

I believe it's a question of the DSP resources not being available in current hardware.

Channel delays would be useful for multi miking socially distanced ensembles!

+1 would definitely appreciate this feature

Me too.

Sacrifice regular effects or not, it’s becoming very necessary in surround studios where speakers are different distances from the listening position but for this for it to be useful you need sub 1ms resolution. You need sample level resolution or if not that then 0.1ms increments to get everything in phase.

Totalmix as it is now is fine for 12 or more channel volume control simply by fader grouping but where it misses is in channel delays - and if I’m being picky, more EQ bands on outputs. More like the EQ section of the ADI series. Then it would be possible to do full monitor control between stereo/ bass managed stereo & atmos and other surround formats. For now I use TM for monitor level in atmos but delays and eq’s I have to do on Logic’s master bus and when I need to switch between stereo and surround modes I use workspace quick access. Would be nice to have all the switching within one workspace

Hello Matt,

nice to hear from You! Yes I know the TM 3 band EQ is under gunned for room tuning for sure and I have noticed the Ginger audio solution which looks very complete.

Totalmix already has the bones for being able to do what’s needed and I wonder if the UFX 3 has any more DSP power than previous versions? Some more EQ bands and delays is all it really needs to add to get the job done for Atoms etc…

As a user of RME’s ADI-2 FS R BE the eq section in that series is way better that the current TM and this added to TM would easily be enough EQ. So RME already have the code it’s just a matter of DSP resources - but even with the existing resources their devices have now, if all you needed was 12 channels of EQ and delays maybe there’s already enough DSP there now? BUT the resolution of the delays needs to be at least as fine as 0.1ms to do speaker tuning.

My issue is that I can do all of this now but it’s across multiple layers. I have some EQ and delays on Logic’s master bus after the atmos plugin then more EQ in TM. When I want to bounce I have to remember to bypass the EQ and delays on Logic’s master bus. If TM could do all this - delays and more EQ bands it would simplify workflow a lot. That’s really all I’m blogging on about.

Can I ask when you use the ginger audio software do you use something like Rogue Amoeba Loopback to get from Logic into the Ginger app or something else?

Wow mind officially blown! Did i not know anything after atmos plugin in Logic did i not get included in the bounce! Very helpful thanks Matt. May be my RTFM moment:-)

So Ginger have their own virtual audio driver to send to from any DAW? And that is their preferred way of getting into their Atmos monitoring solution software? And then post the Ginger software you then send to totalmix?

I wish I had equidistant atmos speakers hardware. Sadly my ceiling is too low so the height speakers are closer than ideal. Delays are essential! This is another reason that latency might be added to my particular monitoring situation.

I’ve never tried to start composing a track in Logic with the Atmos plugin inserted. My workflow is mostly do the stereo version of a production to completion and then do the Atmos mix after that. There’s more latency? Had not heard this either.

Kind regards

Matt, thanks for all of that. Food for thought!

I know we’re getting a bit OT for the RME forum but now I’ve slept on it I have to double check something with you regarding Logic’s Master bus in Atmos mode. It’s dawned on me that I have on numerous occasions had processing after the Atmos plugin and those sound changes DID actually end up in the ADM BWF export and also down mixed versions as well so perhaps there is some more to it than just no further processing after Atmos plugin? I know that bed & Object tracks go via different paths. Perhaps this is what you were think of?

Kind regards