1 (edited by Selva 2023-03-27 23:39:27)

Topic: UCX 2 Reverb noise

I found strange artifacts in the reverb work. It seems as if the gain level increases for the duration of the effect, which decreases again when the reverb tail ends. Also, a strange "jet" sound is added. I tried to record a sound through a loopback, according to the lesson from the official rme videos.  Example of recording added to google disk with link below.

Example recorded with the reverb "attack" type. Issue audible with all other types of reverb on different effect volume levels and different levels of Send FX fader.  On "space" type  of reverb i can`t hear this problem even  with effect volume of 6db.

Total mix fx version 1.79
Is dsp module in my unit broken?


https://drive.google.com/file/d/18f63ot … sp=sharing

2 (edited by oli77sch 2023-01-22 23:40:34)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

waedi wrote:

The reverb and the echo effects of TotalmixFX are produced by your computer, not from the DSP of your interface.

No, this is only the case on Babyface pro (FS). The UCX II has enough DSP power for processing all the effects internally.

FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
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Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

My PC have enough power to process  heavy plugins. That's not a cause. in audio example just about 15% of dsp power used

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

Selva wrote:

My PC have enough power to process  heavy plugins. That's not a cause. in audio example just about 15% of dsp power used

Again: on the UCX II, the effects are processed on the internal DSP chip, so the PC's power is irrelevant.

FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
Mac mini M1 - Macbook pro - iPad Air2

5 (edited by oli77sch 2023-01-23 10:45:18)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

UPDATE / EDIT:
It was easy to reproduce the 'issue', although using a software electric piano instead of a real guitar and a Babyface pro instead of an UCX II. Reverb preset type 'attack' - higher values on most of the parameter knobs. It's simply the algorithm. As soon the volume (in the reverb section) is lowered (not higher than 0.0) it sounds ok.

ORIGINAL REPLY:
Some questions:
- do you also have dynamics activated?
- have you tried other sounds than guitar?
- is the issue independent of what instrument input you use?
- I’m not sure how exactly you did the recording: I guess instrument hardware input directly routed to a hardware output with loopback activated, then recorded the corresponding input?

Listening to your samples, I can hear the 'reverb jet' exactly reacting to what you play. It’s not like a distortion, let’s say caused through a hardware failure, sounding always the same (awful) way independent of the original sounds.

FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
Mac mini M1 - Macbook pro - iPad Air2

6 (edited by Selva 2023-03-05 23:17:13)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

Sorry for the long wait.
I will try to make another sample

It should be noted that the example recording made above is a highly increased volume section where I extract the sound with rather weak dynamics to hear reverb tail. 

Regarding your questions:
The dynamics/eq section is off
I was testing reverb with a microphone on the microphone inputs. The same situation is seen on the microphone and instrument inputs.
I can hear this effect when just monitoring the channel through headphones with reverb  and ucx ii in standalone mode without PC.

The recording was made like this: The cable goes from the guitar to the rme instrument input, the send fx fader is raised on the input channel (e.g. Analog 3), than choose adat 1/2 channel and raise analog 3 channel fader for direct mon., and also raised the fader for Fx return on adat 1/2 channel + enable loopback.
—The DAW is recording signal from adat1/2 to track.

I don`t know why, but this type of monitoring sounds a little bit different than direct Analog 3 channel monitoring  , but I can assure you that I hear exactly the same jet sound and noise level raising  when directly monitoring any input channel through the headphones with reverb turned on

The reverb jet noise doesn't respond to what I'm playing or what happening in my room. it's a strange sound that appears when the reverb tail modulates - phrase or word just had to be long enough to hear it completely.

7 (edited by Selva 2023-03-05 21:24:13)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

I made a better short audio with a microphone, where everything is explained in detail. I very much hope that this  can be fixed with software.  Also added settings screenshot. At 1:30 I turn off the reverb and you can clearly hear how much noise it adds.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … sp=sharing

8 (edited by Selva 2023-03-27 23:41:51)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

May someone check reverb work on Babyface pro fs or ucx or other RME devices, please?
Any reverb type exсept "Space", any parameters,  better to rise up effect volume to 0 for better understanding where the artefact is.

Support tells it`s not high quality reverb and there is nothing to do with algorithms. But it`s not looks like just low quality it sounds good, but i can`t really hear  it work behind  noise that appears with enabling reverb in Total Mix. Noise that appears with reverb tail  audible even at - 10 effect volume. I can`t compare device with another one because they are out of stock in my country.

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Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

I will check that.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

10 (edited by Selva 2023-03-28 16:26:42)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

Thank you
I made one more sample it s shorter and more clear if you need.
First dry DI signal, than i activate reverb button in Total Mix. Total Mix settings screenshot also avaible
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … share_link
LP guitar with humbuckers, fully shielded.

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Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

Quick question - is it intentional that this mp3 is mono? If the reverb adds artefacts then it would be much easier to be heard in stereo (fully left / right, with the guitar still in the middle).

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

12 (edited by Selva Yesterday 20:04:36)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

MC wrote:

Quick question - is it intentional that this mp3 is mono? If the reverb adds artefacts then it would be much easier to be heard in stereo (fully left / right, with the guitar still in the middle).

I'm sorry if I misunderstood.
Not intentionally. I just forgot to center the guitar when recording.   The previous microphone and guitar  test was done centered before recording. I put a stereo recording in studio one on the track anyway, to record the reverb as it comes from the total mix.
From what I hear on the last sample noise and artefacts are clearly audible,

upd
You`re right. Added stereo sample in mp3 and wav
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … share_link

Same reverb/channel settings as on screenshoot in folder

13 (edited by ebmmbongo Yesterday 21:59:46)

Re: UCX 2 Reverb noise

Selva wrote:

May someone check reverb work on Babyface pro fs

Hi
I am not sure exactly what you are listening for, but as I wanted to test recrodning with loopback I did this for you. First there is a little played with reverb, then without (both loopback) and also there is a screen dump of my tmfx.
No idea if this is useful at all, but i learned something anyway:)
Guitar is HB bridge.
I am not a guitar player haha.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … share_link

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