Topic: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Hi Guys,



Recently I got my new Macbook Pro M1 with Monterey. And weird enough my Logic Pro was stuttering when starting the track.
Also the background music(in this case youtube) stuttered as well. I went on investigation and found out that it is my RME 802 causing the problem. Because when I change my output device to Macbook Pro speakers In Logic. the stutter is immediately gone. Only when I use Logic in Rosetta, there is no stuttering when playing the project. Is there something to fix this?



Thanks!

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

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Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

I have the same problem. MacStudio M1 Max with Monterey and Fireface 802. Rosetta works better as well.

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Same here. Macbook Pro M1 Max, Monterey 12.4 and Fireface UC, newest Logic Pro. It is not possible to work with Logic in native mode without Rosetta. Even Digicheck ist stuttering. Unfortunately the only solution for me was to buy a different audio interface that works perfectly fine for one fifth of the price. Logic in rosetta mode is not an option for me for performance reasons, especially multithreaded performance.

5 (edited by strangedays 2022-06-26 22:03:15)

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Basically RME cannot be bothered to sort out the drivers in the new macs. It's been ongoing support headaches since M1.  I've noticed they don't seem to acknowledge it.   They have had plenty of time to get this right.

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

I'm currently ditching a fully loaded M1 Max 16 for a Mac Pro 2019 as the audio software and RME driver situation is far worse right now than it was way back at the beginning with the M1 Air. My faith in the Apple platform and the RME platform has been shaken by the absolute mess like I haven't seen in 20 years. Two years now since M1 developer machines were released and we have NEITHER a working USB driver nor working Thunderbolt driver, both kernel extension and system extension. There's something seriously wrong when we had better stability and lower latency 18-20 years ago using RME on Windows XP.

Cue post deletion/arrogant 'user error' response in 3..2...1....

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Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

DHama wrote:

Same here. Macbook Pro M1 Max, Monterey 12.4 and Fireface UC, newest Logic Pro. It is not possible to work with Logic in native mode without Rosetta.

Logic has been ported long ago and runs natrive without Rosetta. Maybe you have some plug-ins that require Rosetta? We dfo have new M1 systems and do a lot of load tests with Loigic, and have not seen it 'stuttering' unless it is overloaded from plug-ins.

Also you did not tell us what driver you use - the old 3.27 or the newer 4.04?

DHama wrote:

Even Digicheck ist stuttering

Unclear statement as you did not explain exactly what the main issue is. If the audio stutters then (obviously) DC's visualization of the audio will show the same. If audio is ok and only the graphic output of DC 'stutters' (no smooth elvel meters) then this is something different.

DHama wrote:

Unfortunately the only solution for me was to buy a different audio interface that works perfectly fine for one fifth of the price.

Is that an interface that runs in class compliant mode, without drivers?

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Logic has been ported long ago and runs natrive without Rosetta. Maybe you have some plug-ins that require Rosetta? We dfo have new M1 systems and do a lot of load tests with Loigic, and have not seen it 'stuttering' unless it is overloaded from plug-ins.
Also you did not tell us what driver you use - the old 3.27 or the newer 4.04?

The driver is 4.02.

Logic runs fine natively with the other interface. I do have a few plugins that require rosetta, that does not seem to cause any problems even with native ARM Logic. I tested some logic sessions with stock plugins only with the same 'stuttering/looping' with the UC. I also made A/B comparison tests with several logic sessions testing both interfaces one after the other on the same session.

I don't think it is related to cpu usage in the conventional way because in that case playback would just stop (or playing distorted audio sometimes). In my case it keeps repeating a very small part of the session, like a mini-loop. I have a screenrecording i could send to you if that would help to understand the behaviour. And it keeps playing back that small loop until i stop it. It is very different to a normal cpu-overload. It seems to be triggered more easily on bigger sessions.

Unclear statement as you did not explain exactly what the main issue is. If the audio stutters then (obviously) DC's visualization of the audio will show the same. If audio is ok and only the graphic output of DC 'stutters' (no smooth elvel meters) then this is something different.

In my case with a cpu overload logic would just stop playback. I never had that kind of freeze in DC with a cpu overload, the bars would just fall down smooth normally.


Is that an interface that runs in class compliant mode, without drivers?

Yes. There is software for monitoring, but i don't think it qualifies for a driver. It still works without it.

9 (edited by gonziak 2022-10-03 22:48:58)

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Same here BF pro fs. no problem with other interfaces. https://youtu.be/JWENdifIjY4

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

gonziak wrote:

Same here BF pro fs. no problem with other interfaces. https://youtu.be/JWENdifIjY4

I have the same problem with Babyface pro fs with driver version 3.28 , which is the latest version. I cannot use the interface without putting Logic into Rosetta mode! There is no problem when i connect another interface or connect to the internal interface of the macbook pro (14" with M1 Pro & 16gb memory) Request the concerned people at RME to please solve the issue!

Thanks

MacBook Pro M1Pro - Monterey -  Babyface Pro FS - Fireface 800 -  Logic Pro X 10.7.6

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Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

I am not sure I understand the issue. You were able to install the driver without Rosetta, but need Rosetta enabled when using Logic? That would point to a plugin or something else that needs Rosetta, not our driver. Please clarify.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

MC wrote:

I am not sure I understand the issue. You were able to install the driver without Rosetta, but need Rosetta enabled when using Logic? That would point to a plugin or something else that needs Rosetta, not our driver. Please clarify.

Hi, The problem happens only when I use Logic Pro X with my BF Pro FS in Native mode. If I switch to another interface or the Mac's internal interface the problem stops completely. When logic is used in rosetta mode the session opens fine with my RME interface. This points to a driver issue which is causing the playback to stutter like mentioned by many in the above comments when Logic is running in native mode. I have tried with Logic's internal plugins or with plugins that run natively but the problem persists on the RME interface. No issues when used with another interface!

MacBook Pro M1Pro - Monterey -  Babyface Pro FS - Fireface 800 -  Logic Pro X 10.7.6

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

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MacBook Pro M1Pro - Monterey -  Babyface Pro FS - Fireface 800 -  Logic Pro X 10.7.6

14 (edited by waedi 2022-12-21 03:03:22)

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

soundpotion wrote:

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Have you updated your system ?

From Monterey to Ventura ( Just in case, Logic TNT versions no longer run under Ventura ! )
From Logic 10.7.3 to 10.7.6
From RME driver 3.28 to 4.06

Is there other software running like OBS or AudioHijack ?

Also try : Switch off Bluetooth

M1-Ventura, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver

15 (edited by soundpotion 2022-12-22 09:39:46)

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

waedi wrote:
soundpotion wrote:

Bump

Have you updated your system ?

From Monterey to Ventura ( Just in case, Logic TNT versions no longer run under Ventura ! )


From Logic 10.7.3 to 10.7.6



From RME driver 3.28 to 4.06



Is there other software running like OBS or AudioHijack ?



Also try : Switch off Bluetooth


Yes, tried the first 2 suggestions

Updated to the 4.06 beta version of the RME driver

Bluetooth is off

and I'm not running Audiojack or OBS

The problem is actually worse!

The same session runs smoothly with my Fireface 800

MacBook Pro M1Pro - Monterey -  Babyface Pro FS - Fireface 800 -  Logic Pro X 10.7.6

Re: Logic Pro 10.7.3 stutters with Monterey

Do we have any solutions for this yet?

MacBook Pro M1Pro - Monterey -  Babyface Pro FS - Fireface 800 -  Logic Pro X 10.7.6