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Topic: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Today, we're launching a public beta of "RME Connector". This free app is technically a new major release of the "RME MIDI Remote AVB", but adds control via network and control for the 12Mic-D - two reasons to change the name.

A screenshot of RME Connector application

For users that previously used the "RME MIDI Remote AVB", your settings will be imported at first startup. You get a couple of new features:

Devices can now be controlled via network connection

This is based on the same protocols that the web frontend uses, and therefore it does not require a wired (or AVB) network. Just plug in a WiFi router to the device, connect to the WiFi and RME Connector will discover all 12Mics, 12Mic-Ds and AVB Tools that are present. Since control over network comes with much higher bandwidth than MIDI, you can control more features of the device and more will be added in future.

Note: devices in RME Connector are either MIDI devices or network controlled devices - not both. So if you already have a number of MIDI devices set up, those will be discovered and added as network controlled devices in addition to the MIDI devices. Of course a device can be controlled via MIDI and network at the same time - you will simply see two devices, one for MIDI and one for network.

Improved gain group features

Creating a gain group on a physical 12Mic device is a great experience - just hold down the channel button next to the first XLR input connector and press the one next to the last input connector - done. The remote experience now comes with the same convenience - just click and drag over any number of gain pots in group mode (shortcut key: 'g')

Also, we added the often requested global "ungroup" mode which lets you adjust individual channels without deleting their gain group.

Native Apple Silicon support

Users of M1 or M2 Macs can now run the app natively, without emulation. Faster startup and even better performance!

Update check

Most apps nowadays download updates automatically in the background. For DAWs, we deemed this to be a bit problematic because in some cases, you might be on networks that you don’t want to use for downloading new app versions. RME Connector allows you to opt-in for (beta or release) update checks, and if an update is found, the app asks if it should be downloaded (and again if it should be installed immediately or with the next restart).

For all the 12Mic-D users out there - thank you for your patience. You wanted MIDI control for the use case that you are using the 12Mic-D with MADI, which appears to be more popular than we had originally anticipated.

Added support for 12Mic-D

Please install the following beta firmware, restart the device, configure the MIDI Input, Output and device ID on the device (STATE > Remote > MIDI) and you will get both: control several 12Mic-Ds via MIDI and/or network from the RME Connector application.

Let us know how it works for you, we are looking forward to your feedback!

RME Connector Beta Downloads
Windows 10/11
macOS (Apple Silicon)
macOS (Apple Intel)

12Mic-D Beta firmware with support for MIDI over MADI
Firmware 1.2.0-b5

--changelog:
Beta 12: Windows installer asks for single or multiuser installation

Beta 14: Windows: improved discovery of devices on local network

Beta 15:
- fixes the output level meters and adds Peak(hold, if set) bars to the web level meters (IP devices) (thx Cigame - we knew wink)
- frame rate has been adjusted for smoother level meters
- a settings dialog has been added with a clear explanation what "invert scroll direction" does (kudos to Ramses for bringing that up)

Beta 16:
- persists MIDI Output port
- fixes bug that MIDI would not start until settings dialog is opened
- (windows) closes the settings dialog along with the main window on exit

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Wow cool.
Configuration from old tool, has been detected as you mentioned, very nice indeed.

I could add the 12Mic, which I am monitoring through MIDI over MADI, a 2nd time as an IP device.
But the device is not being shown as online, doesn't work.
Accessing the 12Mic through Internet browser works ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jckbjxdc9fwljyv/2023-05-15-RME%20Connector.jpg?dl=1

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Wow fantastic!

I installed this and was able to directly control my 12Mic (non-Dante) using firmware fw_xm_1.6.2_v165 12mic 20230418-12H34M as an IP connected device, on my M1 Mac Studio.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

2 issues:

1. After the installation of RME connector the old program MIDI Remote AVB is not working anymore, can't be started up.

I reinstalled my backup from 14.05.23, after that I could execute MIDI Remote AVB again.
Then I again installed RME Connector, started it up for a test and then quit the application.
Same issue again, MIDI Remote AVB can't be started.

When looking to
- the installation folder, then both programs are still visible
- Windows Programs and Features, then I see, that both applications are still installed

And I personally would welcome, that both applications can co-exist, as RME connector still has issues on my PC.

2. Problem is, after 2 minutes RME Connector stops working, then I can access 12Mic only via MIDI over MADI.
I can see on my Windows Gadget that the communication completely stops, after 2 min no network activity anymore.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Hi ramses,

1) no need to worry - previously working MIDI features were not touched. The "beta" state only refers to the 12Mic-D and IP control, not to the previously existing MIDI functionality. If I understand correctly, the issue you are facing is related to the IP based remote control, but it should not affect the usability of the software. But I will look into it and check if we can provide a workaround or fix for that.

2) that is very surprising - we have not been able to reproduce this behavior.
Is there someone else having this problem of unstable connection?

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Maybe misunderstanding regarding point 1. Once you install RME connector, then MIDI remote AVB is not working anymore, no matter whether RME connector is running or not.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win11Pro22H2, Cub12

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

We found out what caused the problems co-existing with the old MIDI Remote AVB and it has been addressed in beta 12.
Beta 11 was installed into the same directory as the previous MIDI Remote AVB, and therefore that app stopped working. This did not affect the user preferences and configuration, those were stored in separate paths - only the executable files.

For ramses - if you have re-installed MIDI Remote AVB from a backup, you can now install beta 12 (either for the current user, which does not require admin privileges, or for all Windows users) and use both apps in parallel.]

Due to a change of the installation directory, it is necessary to first uninstall the previous beta version manually.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Many thanks will try.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Thanks for fixing install dir issue. Both applications can work now.

Still the issue, that I am loosing network connectivity after 2 minutes.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Still the issue, that I am loosing network connectivity after 2 minutes.

This has been fixed in Beta 14.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Max wrote:

Still the issue, that I am loosing network connectivity after 2 minutes.

This has been fixed in Beta 14.

Yes, many thanks Max, very well done :-)

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

The level Meters for Phones out are not working
Beta 14

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Too late wink

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

How about supporting MICSTASY?

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Beta 15
- fixes the output level meters and adds Peak(hold, if set) bars to the web level meters (IP devices) (thx Cigame - we knew wink)
- frame rate has been adjusted for smoother level meters
- a settings dialog has been added with a clear explanation what "invert scroll direction" does (kudos to Ramses for bringing that up)

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

There is no more option for selecting midi connections when using midi over Madi in beta 15.
Or did I overlook something?

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

You will find them in the settings dialog.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Hi, I'm new to the forum but a long time RME User.
I can't work out how to control 2 x RME12 mic units with the Midi over Madi remote controller.

I have a UFX plus and 2x RME12mics. (12mic1 and 12mic2)
12mic2 is connected to RME12mic1 on MADI Coax and passes audio fine.
12mic1 is connected to my UFX plus on MADI optical and sends audio to and from both 12mics fine.

I have the latest firmware etc. on all units. I've tried the midi remote avb as well as RME Connector. I have midi set to port 3 for optical and I can see 12mic1 fine and control it without problem. I have 12mic2 as ID 1 but can't control it on port 3 or 4. Can I pass Midi commands through the first unit to the second or do I need a physical connection from my UFXplus to 12mic2?

Any advice is appreciated

Phil

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Beta 15 introduces three bugs

1. MIDI input device is not being written to preferences file

2. after writing the proper config to the file it works, but not after startup

3. removing and re-adding of devices deletes the config of the devices: changes in preset names and I also think presets and snapshots. How to repeat: add devices, change preset name and change preset. Remove device, quit, re-add device, you see the default preset names, not your custom names.

A possibility to backup devices, presets, snapshots - comparable to a TM FX workspace file - seems to be missing.

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1&2 has been addressed in Beta 16, thank you for testing&reporting!

3. is not a bug and it has been like that from the beginning of the MIDI Remote AVB: snapshots are not bound to a specific device, simply because devices do not share a unique ID (such as serial number) over MIDI. After all, snapshots should not get lost when the MIDI ID changes. But you are right that you should be warned and given the option to save the current setup when you delete the devices.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

cigame wrote:

How about supporting MICSTASY?

+1

And also ADI8QS with full routing would be nice

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

Is there any documentation for this application?

I have a UFX+, an Octamic XTC, and a 12mic. The old app worked fine for the 12mic and XTC, but I would like to use network control for the reasons given in Max's OP.

I connected the 12mic to my computer by a Cat6 cable. This didn't work. Neither RME Connector nor the Web Remote could connect to my 12mic. How do I connect the 12mic properly to use the RME Connector (I prefer not to use wireless)?

I went back to a USB connection from the 12mic to my computer and everything works. The app says the XTC is offline, but the controls definitely work.

I know I could probably figure this out in time, but some instructions could save a lot of time.

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vanceen wrote:

I connected the 12mic to my computer by a Cat6 cable. This didn't work. Neither RME Connector nor the Web Remote could connect to my 12mic. How do I connect the 12mic properly to use the RME Connector (I prefer not to use wireless)?

Hi Vanceen,

if the LEDs at the network port of the 12Mic (with current firmware!) show activity, and within its menu STATE>Remote>HTTP Remote is toggled to "on", it is up to the operating system (and its network filters/firewall rules) to prevent RME Connector's automatic discovery of the attached device.

You could then check in the same menu of the 12Mic that an IP address has been assigned correctly and enter this address manually in your preferred browser to ensure that the connection is indeed working and the Web Remote can be accessed. If that is the case (communication via IP address works, but auto discovery of RME Connector does not work), please post your OS details (Windows or macOS version etc.).

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Thanks. I'll try it and report back.

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It worked. Thanks.

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Re: RME Connector - control 12Mic, 12Mic-D and AVB Tool via network&MIDI

I spoke too soon. It seemed to work fine at first, but when I opened it again, it didn't work.

I'm using Windows 11 build 22621. I'm using Chrome as a browser, but I tried Microsoft Edge as well.

The network port on the 12mic flashed, and the network port on my computer also showed activity. However, when I opened a 12mic instance in RME Connector by selecting it under the "IP" icon, it showed as Not Connected. I was also unable to get a connection through Web Remote on Chrome or Edge.

I confirmed on the 12mic that HTTP Remote was On. I checked the primary and secondary IP settings, and both were on DHCP. I tried a static connection connection, and the 12mic assigned 172.2.2.0, with a subnet mask of 0.0.0.0. My browsers couldn't connect. I tried changing to 172.20.0.1, which is the address the 12mic Web Remote uses, also with no luck.

I used to be able to connect with the Web Remote without changing from DHCP using a USB connection, but now I can no long connect using USB. Remote Connector works fine with USB for both my 12mic and my Octamic XTC.

This is puzzling, and any advice would be appreciated. I don't really mind using USB, but it would be conventient in some ways to use a network connection (one less USB device to plug in, reportedly faster response.).

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Hi Vanceen,
this seems to be unrelated to RME Connector. Also, you do not have to change the DHCP setting - the 12Mic will use an address that starts with 169.254... if there is no DHCP server, and it is shown on the 12Mic after it was assigned. Have you tried disconnecting USB and using the device name in the browser's address bar (as described in the manual) to reach the device over network? If that does not work, please open a separate thread.
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