1 (edited by Max 2021-07-28 13:48:54)

Topic: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

For users who operate the 12Mic or AVB Tool from a distance (stage box etc.) with MADI connections, the lack of a MIDI Remote control software meant that they had to install a separate LAN cable or WiFi connection just for remote control - and, in most cases, just to set or adjust the gains once during sound check. For this reason, we have developed a separate app, "RME MIDI Remote AVB", which offers basic remote control (analog I/O controls such as gain/volume and phantom power, preset switching etc.).

Usage:
1) Install on a computer that has a MIDI over MADI interface.

2) Configure 12Mic/AVB Tool on device:
- press encoder for menu
- press encoder again for STATE
- rotate to REMOTE and confirm with encoder
- press MIDI softkey
- select input and output corresponding to the MADI format, ie. optical or coaxial
- set MIDI ID

3) In the MIDI Remote AVB application, press "Conf", select MIDI over MADI input and output, confirm each with "Apply". Return to main screen and add device. On the left side, choose the corresponding MIDI ID.

Notes:

- It is not possible to synchronize the entire device state over MIDI, so features such as routing will have to be configured on the device or over the webUI/API/AVDECC. However, since preset control is implemented, users can create complex configurations and toggle between using presets. Keep in mind that loading presets might change settings that are not visible over MIDI Remote AVB, such as clock source, routings, etc.

- "Snapshots", on the other hand, are locally stored on the computer and only include the analog channel controls. This is useful, for example, to store and recall gains for different sessions.

- Hold the [Shift] key while dragging an encoder for fine adjustments.

!!! Requires Firmware 1.4.0 beta or later !!!
Download newest firmware here: https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=33265

Download MIDI Remote AVB:

Windows installer
macOS application

We are looking forward to your feedback.

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v1.0.0 beta 4:
- fixes an issue where only the first of two or more MIDI devices with the same name would be selectable
(required fix for current MADIface Pro on Windows) 
- adds gain group mode
- minor changes in design

To update beta releases, activate "Check for beta updates" in MIDI settings and restart the software. Afterwards, new updates are found and installed when "Check for updates" is selected in the main menu.

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Great! Can it coexist with the old Midi Remote?
Georg

3 (edited by Max 2021-06-10 11:14:10)

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Great! Can it coexist with the old Midi Remote?

That works in our tests so far. The 12Mic and AVB Tool have their own SysEx header, so an XTC and a 12Mic can also have the same device ID (both devices could have device ID 1, for example).
But please test and let us know if you encounter any issues.

4 (edited by georgob 2021-06-13 09:46:09)

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

In my setup xtc, 12mic, 12mic, 
Midi remote for octamic on, avb remote on.
Avb looses its connection after a time and cannot be reconnected.  I have to close and open it again.
Old midi remote is online the whole time.
And Sequoia is recording, sending midi remote play, rec, stop commands.(for use with a punchlight)
Georg

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

I could reproduce it (Windows only) - we'll fix that.
-Max

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Great, thanks.
Georg

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

It would be great to be able to name the channels.
In my setup the 12mics are for ch 9 to 20 and 21 to 32. I'd like to remember them in the remote, or give instruments name to them.
Georg

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

This is great, a total godsend - nice little bit of software too, maybe even preferable to the aux-device solution! It's very clear visually, super simple to see things in the heat of battle! Is the plan to fully "release" the Midi Remote for 12mic/AVB tool, or is this just a stop-gap and all future updates will be for aux-device only?

One quick question - I can only get this to work using midi port 4 (fireface ufx+ and 12mic connected via coax) - any reason port 3 wouldn't work?

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Thanks for the feedback! Yes, this will be released in future.
Regarding port selection on UFX+ - port 3 corresponds to the optical MADI signal. If changing the entire setup to optical connections, choosing MADI optical in and out in 12Mic/AVB Tool MIDI setup, the communication should work as well.

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Max wrote:

Thanks for the feedback! Yes, this will be released in future.
Regarding port selection on UFX+ - port 3 corresponds to the optical MADI signal. If changing the entire setup to optical connections, choosing MADI optical in and out in 12Mic/AVB Tool MIDI setup, the communication should work as well.

Morning Max, Matthias.
Just as an idea. This information should maybe be added to the UFX+ manual.
Although it appears logic after knowing it, it might be challenging when a device is new to directly/fully understand, that
- UFX+ MIDI port 1 and 2 are related to the two MIDI channels/busses on the device and
- UFX+ MIDI port 3 and 4 are related to MIDI over MADI through optical / coaxial MADI

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro21H1, Cub11Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT

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Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Hi Ramses,
I found it in the manual / 21.4 MIDI second paragraph.

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Great, then it has been added (had the old status still in mind).

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro21H1, Cub11Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT

13 (edited by klafkid 2021-07-18 17:44:25)

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Thank you for this software! I am unable to connect via my MADIface Pro.
The manual says the MADIface Pro should provide a MADI Port called "MADI  Pro  Midi", but the only MADI Port shown in AVB Tools is "MF Pro MIDI", which in the manual is described to be connected to the 6-pin MIDI port.
Is MIDI Rremote AVB not set up for the MADIface Pro yet?

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Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Hi klafkid,
we will release a new beta that can recognize the second MF Pro MIDI port by next week & update this post accordingly.
Best regards,
Max

15 (edited by georgob 2021-07-21 12:17:10)

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

A small bug - the first channel in the midi remote AVB turns completely yellow when turning the gain. No other knob behaves like this.
https://ibb.co/s1kNqsB

Georg

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

georgob wrote:

A small bug - the first channel in the midi remote AVB turns completely yellow when turning the gain. No other knob behaves like this.
https://ibb.co/s1kNqsB

Georg

Must be the "golden voice feature"
The mac version is without that feature.
Have you version 0.9.9 ?

M1-BigSur, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver

17 (edited by Max 2021-07-28 13:58:00)

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Must be the "golden voice feature"

No, it is a strange case where a single channel is part of a gain group. Gain groups are shown in different colors. It would be interesting to see how that happened - if that issue is still there, could you save the current preset and then download it with the web remote?

We have uploaded a new beta version (links in the original post are updated). The beta release includes a mode to set or remove groups, and also changes the MIDI communication significantly behind the scenes. It is now possible to use the MADIface Pro (select the second MF Pro MIDI port).

Best regards,
Max

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Yellow first button is back to normal with the new version.
Thanks, Georg

Re: Beta: MIDI Remote for 12Mic and AVB Tool

Can the 12mic with MIDI remote output MIDI commands via it's USB port (e.g. for punchlight)?