I noticed the Babyface Pro FS has a hardware switch to adjust output levels. Does this allow to match up output levels between XLR and Line Out? Looking to match up levels for a quadrophonic speaker setup in a shared studio environment and was wondering if it can be done on the hardware site or if it requires each user to set it in the software...

The Babyface Pro FS has two XLR balanced line outputs and two unbalanced headphone jack outputs (that each carry the same stereo signal). You can find the output level specifications in the Babyface Pro FS manual:

DA, Line Out 1-2 XLR

• Dynamic range (DR): 115 dB RMS unweighted, 118 dBA

• Frequency response @ 44.1 kHz, -0.5 dB: 0 Hz – 20.8 kHz

• Frequency response @ 96 kHz, -0.5 dB: 0 Hz – 45 kHz

• Frequency response @ 192 kHz, -1 dB: 0 Hz - 89 kHz

• THD: - 106 dB, 0.0005 %

• THD+N: -102 dB, 0.0008 %

• Channel separation: > 110 dB

• Output: XLR balanced

• Output impedance: 300 Ohm balanced, 150 Ohm unbalanced

• Output level @ 0 dBFS: Balanced +19 / +4 dBu, unbalanced +13 / -2 dBu

• DC @ 0 dBFS: 6.35mm 4.8 V, 3.5mm 2.4 V, XLR bal. 9.6 V

DA, Phones 3/4
As DA Line Out, but:

• Output: 6.3 mm TRS jack, unbalanced

• Output impedance: 10 Ohm

• Output level at 0 dBFS, 1 kOhm load: +13 dBu

• Max power @ 0.1% THD: 60 mW

• Signal to Noise ratio (SNR): 114.8 dB RMS unweighted, 118 dBA

• Noise level: -101.8 dBu

• Output: 3.5 mm TRS jack, unbalanced

• Output impedance: 0.1 Ohm

• Output level at 0 dBFS, 1 kOhm load: +7 dBu

• Max power @ 0.1% THD: 90 mW

• Signal to Noise ratio (SNR): 114 dB RMS unweighted, 117 dBA

• Noise level: -107 dBu

You can add up to 8 additional line outputs via ADAT (or 2 via SPDIF).

Hello,

This is normal, and it works the same with MADI digital connections. The ADAT format is made to work at 44.1k or 48k sample rates, then the interface & converter use S/MUX to handle higher sample rates. With S/MUX, 1 channel of 96k = 2 channels of 48k.

As long as the clock is set to the correct sample rate on both sides, it works as you expected.

Hello, I have a question on Babyface Pro FS. When I press „in” and „out” hardware buttons simultaneously all the lights comes on, then only red, then everything goes off, then everything goes back to normal.
It seems like it is some kind of unit reset, but I didn’t find this in the manual.
So, what is it? I ask in case I accidentally press these buttons during a live performance. Could something unexpected happen then?

Thanks for the clarification.

No the bfp is a usb 2 interface. I use usb 2 sockets on the back if my pc

Hello,

2 questions regarding Babyface Pro vs Babyface Pro FS.

1) is the Headphone out on the FS really louder? by how many db or volts?

2) is the clocking of the FS really measurable better? or does it only features the better algo for some worst cases, but runs internaly just as stable as the older Babyface Pro, with akm chips?

thanks, i would like to state facts in technical discussions, and its quite common that product advertisements are not necessarily giving improvements the right technical weight or relation to a previous product. I am still quite happy with my old ADI 8DS for example. According to advertising that device is hoplessly dated and outperformed by newer units, just hasnt felt like that sofar..

thanks, so its 10 mw more power on the headphone amp, but same level at 1 khz

and the same performance on jitter on internal clock but about same jitter supression on external clocks..

acording to the tech data in the manuals

so basically the same except the converter chip..

cheap power supplies are never a good idea for studio gear, especially cheaper than 30.- But when its RME approved I would go for that,  shouldn't be a horrible one, and looking for cheaper anonymous offers on amazon asks for trouble. Bad power supplies can pollute all your studio setup with high frequency dirt.. When your analog synth starts to sound like a digital with aliasing artifacts, check the power supplies that are connected with it on the power line..
Its a good question wether a high grade power supply will improve the sound of the babyface in relation to the dirty usb power.. Some claim yes.. depends on the circuit inside that does the regulation..maybe an RME guy can shed some light of this, but I would think that such info can be biased in the direction of a claim for inaudibility of power supplies.. In practical application Power supplies do make a difference.. There is a German company called Funk Studio Technik that builds the best Studio Gear power supplies.. they certainly do very well on expensive preamps.. will they help on a babyface? But them are above 100 euro.. I might find out when I get out of the hospital..For the while being I am happy that the Babyface can be powered by usb.. Thats a feature..

have you set the babyface clock source to adat?

These are in the driver settings fireface, which should be in the same place on the task bar as TotalMix

Hi Folks:

I have a Babyface Pro Fs and a Behringer ada8200 which I am wanting to pair.

When I connect the two units I am told that it is syncing however, I am unable to access any adat inputs or outputs from the ada2800; only adat 7-8 for both ins and outs.

What could I be doing wrong?

Hello:

I am using Reaper however, not only does the ins and outs not appear in reaper, but they do not appear in Total Mix either.

I am using two cables to connect the devices.

Thanks all over the place.

It shows as as1 and 2 and adat 3 to 8 in TotalMix whether you plug in the ada8200 or not. Do you have those as inputs on the top level of TotalMix?

As1 and as2 are the ada8200 as are adat 3 to 8. TotalMix does not show the name ada8200. It has no way of knowing the name over the adat interface

12 I/O in TM FX - yes, unless you use 96 kHz or 192 kHz sample rate...

Well Guys:

I installed the whole system on another Windows 10 computer and had no joy.  I still can't see any of the external adat ins or outs.

Is there something on the Babyface Pro Fs itself that I might have changed?

Is anyone running the Babyface Pro Fs with a ADA8200 using the Latest Babyface Pro Fs Flash update: V200?

I want to be sure of what I am doing before I send the ADA8200 back to Amazon as a defective unit.

Thanks all over the place gang.

Hi:

Thanks for your info.

I am running at 44,100 HZ. I'm pretty sure that I am not in class compliant mode since all of the internal stuff works and since I can connect to the BabyFace Pro FS with my X-Touch.

Thanks all over the place.

Could anybody confirm that this power supply would be a fit for the BFP:

https://www.friwo-shop.de/de/netzteile- … er=1898164

Thx

Did you follow the instructions in the driver readme? It describes how to reduce security by booting into recovery mode (2. Installation, M1 computer). Your description sounds like that was not done.

Alternatively you could use driver 4.06 from here:

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=35957

It needs to stay this way with that driver.

Hi MC,

I've owned the RME Babyface Pro for some time, and hooked up some gear to the optical SPDIF port.

I've got two digital microphones the Neumann KMS104 D and KMS 105 D using the AES42 interface standard hooked up to the Neuman DMI 2 portable. From there I passed the AES 42 out signal to a Hosa converter box Model: ODL-312 Optical-AES/EBU link using the optical Toslink/SPDIF patch cable into the SPDIF port on the RME Babyface Pro.

tech spec on mics KMS 104D, KMS 105D
Max. SPL: 159 dB, S/N: Ratio 78 dB, Sensitivity: 4.5 mV/Pa

This is how to get digital microphones to work with the RME Babyface Pro!   

Fortunately, Neumann wrote their RCS software in 2019, so it is fairly recent. Driver version for the DMI-2 portable v2.8.30.0 date:2013-07-12 provider: FTDI and digitally signed by Neumann.

Using Windows11 v22H2 build 22621.755 and RME driver v 1.2.22.0 I can successfully use the external clock function and use the digitally controlled microphones via the clock mode in Fireface USB settings setting clock mode to "optical". The sample rates 44100Hz to 96000Hz work without issue. Mics show up on hardware inputs AS 1/2 and hardware outputs AN 1/2 in TotalMix. When I set the clock mode optical to 192000Hz I get a little crackling in NDH-20 headphone output of the BabyfacePro channel Ph3/4.

I read a little further in the Neumann manual where they state:

"AES/EBU OUT
3-pin XLR connector for the AES/EBU output signal.
The AES/EBU signal includes 2 standard audio channels.

The audio data of two mono microphones are distributed to the left (CH1) and right (CH2) audio
channels of the AES/EBU output signal.

A digital stereo microphone is supported at AES42
microphone input CH1 only. In this case the audio
data of the microphones are routed to the left and
right channels of the AES/EBU output."

What am I missing when the channel width is halved...?

Should I have only one mic on channel 1 of the DMI-2 when shifting to optical clock of 192kHz with the SPDIF toslink to the BabyfacePro to achieve optical clock sync?

Superlative digital mics are not dead, they are just resting...for a little more technical info.
Ah HA...I know splurge and get the RME DMC842...! 

Am I on the right track here...?   pun intended

Cheers

Hans

edit: Okay I'll answer my own question...

Powered down computer, DMI-2 and RME Babyface Pro respectively, removed one of the mics, rebooted. RCS software wouldn't pick up the single mic.

Repeated procedure, reconnected mic, and DMI-2 picked up both mics.
I was able to select 192K on both the DMI-2 and the Babyface Pro interfaces respectively.

Result: Optical Toslink/SPDIF connection now works with both mics running through the Hosa AES42/EBU converter linking to Neumann DMI-2 at 192KHz with optical clock mode in "Sync" via the RME Babyface Pro.

Snap, crackle and pop is gone...

All smiles        

Cheers

Hans